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  •  Ain't no toys neither (2+ / 0-)
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    auapplemac, prettygirlxoxoxo

    How the fuck are you supposed to get to work in 99% of the country? There's no public transportation, the nations is blighted with suburbia everywhere, if you don't live in a handful of cities with public trans, you need a car TO SURVIVE. That's what's wrong with America.

    •  I survive just fine without a car (0+ / 0-)

      and I live in a rural area and commute 30 miles one way to a city.

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      by terrypinder on Fri May 07, 2010 at 11:52:14 AM PDT

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      •  I presume that you don't walk, and don't have (0+ / 0-)

        kids to drop off on the way.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Fri May 07, 2010 at 11:57:51 AM PDT

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        •  i'd make my kids walk. (1+ / 0-)
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          hey, i walked. :)

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          by terrypinder on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:07:35 PM PDT

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          •  What happens if you're over 60 or 70? How do you (0+ / 0-)

            get your groceries or anything you buy home?

            Progressives will win when the country becomes Progressive.

            by auapplemac on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:08:48 PM PDT

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            •  the area i live in is populated by people (0+ / 0-)

              who never really move or leave---i'm unusual in that I moved into the area. the old people have their kids and grandkids do their errands for them. As for shopping, my partner does that as the car belongs to him and is entirely in his name and he's the only one who uses it. I typically don't buy things. If I do, I order them.

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              by terrypinder on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:13:40 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, you little cheat!! (0+ / 0-)

                There is a car!!!

                Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

                by dinotrac on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:16:42 PM PDT

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                •  yes but it's not mine (0+ / 0-)

                  and if it weren't there, I'd still get along fine.

                  When I lived alone I got along fine without a car. I've never owned one or even really driven. People do like it if you ride along with them to run errands, or ride a bike, or so on. My one hope is as gas gets more expensive people go back to meeting their neighbors and helping each other out.

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                  by terrypinder on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:20:30 PM PDT

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      •  How do you do it? (2+ / 0-)
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        auapplemac, Marja E

        I live 30 miles from the city.  My car died in October.  There is no mass transit, no buses, and I worked the night shift (midnite to 0800), then school till noon.  There was no way on earth I could walk the 30 miles (I lived in the hills of Missouri), nor could I bike them (if I were that healthy, just getting out of the holler on ice would be a feat unto itself).  

        Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't.

        by EdgedInBlue on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:01:33 PM PDT

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    •  This is correct, but (4+ / 0-)
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      auapplemac, mmacdDE, Marja E, EdgedInBlue

      It didn't get that way overnight & we can't change it overnight either. We have to start (or continue) advocating for more & better transportation options, including van pools, busses, trains, and more walkable/bikeable cities. It'll take years to get there, but it will never happen if we don't start.

      350.org! The climate can't wait.

      by B Amer on Fri May 07, 2010 at 11:52:19 AM PDT

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    •  Not to mention trucking (3+ / 0-)
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      there is no point-to-point transfer using mass transit.  Trains can only handle so much traffic and none of it is point-to-point.  The axiom "If you got it, a trucker brought it" is nearly literal.

      It's not people addicted to toys, it's people addicted to tools.  As someone who lost a job, had to drop out of school and move because of a fatal breakdown and insufficient means to replace said transportation without aforementioned job, I'm here to tell you my vehicle was a tool, not a toy and it's death nearly meant mine.  

      I get exasperated with the thot that we can just say "no more gas" and (jeannie nod) it will be so.  There are so many changes that must be made to the infrastructure prior to that kind of success.

      Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't.

      by EdgedInBlue on Fri May 07, 2010 at 11:58:39 AM PDT

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      •  What's frustrating is knowing that this didn't (3+ / 0-)
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        happen by accident...our way of life was designed by Ford and GM and Standard Oil way back when. Of course the American people enthusiastically bought into it, which is why we are stuck where we are today, and will be in deep doo-doo anytime the price of oil gets too high.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:07:24 PM PDT

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        •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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          I lived in Sweden for a year without a car and didn't miss it at all.  Trains, buses, walk ways, centralized shopping in neighborhoods... it was like heaven.  I walked 3 km to school every day, through all weather and when I couldn't, there was a bus to fall back on.  When I had to go to Stockholm (LOL 'had'), a bus to the train station and in an hour I was in Stockholm.  Everything was switching over to biofuel, even the cars (I did rent a car or two to travel).  Here...phhhhttt.

          Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't.

          by EdgedInBlue on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:13:57 PM PDT

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          •  which is how it was in the US long ago (2+ / 0-)
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            you could get anywhere via train. It's doubly ironic that in many places, they're fighting to put back in the interurbans (in modern parlance, the light rails) that they tore out in the 40s and 50s.

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            by terrypinder on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:15:56 PM PDT

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            •  I remember cuz (1+ / 0-)
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              My father worked for Sante Fe. I live near the third largest city in Missouri and there is no rail.  Getting to even KC or St. Louis, if you don't drive, is nearly impossible.  I took a Greyhound last year and it was like a horror story, nothing like the buses I had taken in Sweden.  Flying out of here, to anywhere, is cost-prohibitive because the airport supports so few airlines.  

              Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't.

              by EdgedInBlue on Fri May 07, 2010 at 12:22:41 PM PDT

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