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  •  Autard (3+ / 0-)
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    rb608, o the umanity, DRo

    Lots of engineers sacrificed learning how to play with other people to instead focus on playing with machines. They're socially retarded. But since they're not sick, just creatures of bad habits, I call them "autards".

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed May 12, 2010 at 07:38:30 AM PDT

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    •  Speaking as introspectively as possible (3+ / 0-)

      I think it's not so much playing with machines as looking for demonstrable and proveable results, based more on facts and mathematics and logic than on emotion or empathy.  Changing the mind of an engineer involves merely presenting a new set of facts on which to base a conclusion.  Resistance to change beyond that isn't necessarily a function of the engineering mind; it's the same programming everyone else gets from their social and media environments.

      You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

      by rb608 on Wed May 12, 2010 at 08:15:02 AM PDT

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      •  Not Really (11+ / 0-)

        I'm an engineer, I've worked with lots of them for many years. Engineers like to say their minds are open to any new evidence or demonstrated logic, but that's not really true. Look at how many engineers still don't reject Bush's record, or the Republican Party. Look at how many are entranced with comicbook "libertarianism" that is easily shown to be mere corporate anarchy.

        Engineers are like anyone else, with emotional thinking and longterm biases. Except they're different in having emotions about machines that most people instead have for people.

        Of course, I'm an engineer, so I'm a demonstration that it's not black/white binary. But in terms of tendencies and inclinations, that's how it is. And it's quite clear to me that's how it happens.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Wed May 12, 2010 at 08:29:38 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with you. (3+ / 0-)
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          My explanation for the support for Bush among otherwise thinking beings is that they do not have or do not believe enough of those obvious and relevent facts.  On the one hand, questioning the facts presented is a good quality among engineers in that we don't simply accept what we're told without proof.

          While proof of Bush's incompetence may seem obvious to us, for example, the volume of objective supporting data isn't necessarily an easy thing to present to one who doesn't want to look at it, especially when the observer is programmed to distrust the sources.

          I can more easily extol the virtues RPN calculators than convert a wingnut engineer to progressive ideas.

          You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

          by rb608 on Wed May 12, 2010 at 08:37:56 AM PDT

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    •  Autons? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      If it's
      Not your body
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      AND it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Wed May 12, 2010 at 08:15:07 AM PDT

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    •  I bet for a lot of them it's innate. (0+ / 0-)

      Not so much that they

      sacrificed learning how to play with other people to instead focus on playing with machines

      as that they didn't 'get' the people-games, but did enjoy figuring machines out.

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