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  •  !! Look at the Accelerating Train Wreck He Left (20+ / 0-)

    in Califoania.

    Reagan was not left of the teabaggers, he was trapped in a far more liberal nation at that time. He was just getting it started. He launched a banking/finance crisis by deregulation that in some measures was worse than this one (I think more institutions failed).

    You want his times back but make no mistake about the policies he advocated.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed May 12, 2010 at 05:09:12 PM PDT

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    •  That's probably the exact summation i was looking (9+ / 0-)

      for.

      You want his times back but make no mistake about the policies he advocated.

      Sadly the result seems to be as the 'saner'(does that exist?) folks leave the GOP and (some) join the blue dogs the result continues to be shifting the target farther right. Teabaggers aren't getting their way (for the most part) but we keep ending up with crap that's right of where center should be.

      *note -- I love me some parenthesis.

      Behind every major problem you're likely to find greed and lust for power.

      by daishan on Wed May 12, 2010 at 05:15:13 PM PDT

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      •  I do still think the Reagon on record (1+ / 0-)
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        in the White House would have no place in the current environment and would be run out of town...And it's always fun to point that out to folks who like to go on the rightward purity pledge tilt.

        Do I suspect he would have had that same record in this day and age? No...that would actually require some level of honesty and integrity. Not exactly things that are in abundance on the right these days (*Disclaimer -- I have a gift for understatement).

        Behind every major problem you're likely to find greed and lust for power.

        by daishan on Wed May 12, 2010 at 05:27:47 PM PDT

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      •  I really don't understand this idea. (1+ / 0-)
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        You say:

        Sadly the result seems to be as the 'saner'(does that exist?) folks leave the GOP and (some) join the blue dogs the result continues to be shifting the target farther right. Teabaggers aren't getting their way (for the most part) but we keep ending up with crap that's right of where center should be.

        Democrats + Blue Dogs        Republicans + Teabaggers
          11111             11      <11            1111                  11</p>

        If people leave the GOP and go to the Blue Dogs, this is movement to the Left. They'd join the Democrats since the Blue Dogs are the Right Wing of the Democratic Party. Movement is to the Dems. Please tell me how this is "shifting the target farther right."??

        Teabaggers are to the right of the Republicans.

        So people would be leaving the Republicans to the Left and this moves the Center to the Right?

        How?

        How does this work?

        My head hurts.

        Do what you can with what you have where you are - Guild of Maintainers

        by bablhous on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:14:08 PM PDT

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        •  Rats! Forgot the DFHs. (2+ / 0-)
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          Write us in on the Left of the Democratic Party.

          Do what you can with what you have where you are - Guild of Maintainers

          by bablhous on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:18:27 PM PDT

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        •  Well Blue Dogs dilute the legislation (4+ / 0-)

          that Democrats come up with - this is then defined by the Republicans as "Left-wing" or "Socialist" legislation, which then blurs again where the citizens are. So when a watered down bill, an insufficient bill is passed and does nothing to the change the root of the problem, or change everyday people's lives, people throw up their hands and give the Republcians a second look. Triangulating "New Democrats" encourage this and cheer on this tendency to go back and forth between the two parties, never condeming anyone, always condeming everyone (more typically progressives) while keeping the Technocrats (Careerists, Bureaucrats, Cocktail party goers) screaming for more bipartisanship.

          That's one way how I can it his hypothesis working.

          "What is the robbing of a Bank compared to the FOUNDING of a Bank?" Bertolt Brecht

          by thethinveil on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:53:47 PM PDT

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        •  Simply, in a way. (3+ / 0-)
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          The center is always defined by the establishment (corporate media and major politicians) as the middle point between the two parties.

          A few decades ago, you had the Republican Party, which was solidly right-wing, and the Democratic Party, which was center-left.  Therefore, the "center" was considered to be center to center-right, politically.

          Take out the non-crazies from the former and stick them in the latter and call them Blue Dogs and what do you get?

          The situation now, where you have the Republican Party, which is far right-wing, and the Democratic Party, which is center-right.  The establishment's "center" has now shifted to solid right-wing territory.

          So you see, the process moves US politics to the right.  And yes, it does seem counter-intuitive at first, but it makes sense according to its own logic.  How does it work?

          Well, when you have a liberal party and a conservative party, the political "center" is always going to be defined by the establishment as squarely in the middle between the two, as I said at the beginning.  The Blue Dogs are undoubtedly forcing the Democrats to act as a center-right party, while the Republicans are undoubtedly sliding way out into the far-right.  Even if the conservative party shrinks down to a rump of lunatics and their more reasonable former colleagues find a home in the liberal party, the center is still going to be defined as the middle of the two.  

          That's why it is so important to primary the Blue Dog bastards and make the Democratic Party more liberal.  If we do that, the party can actually shrink in absolute numbers, yet still shift the country's politics to the left.

          Take this hypothetical scenario for a few years from now: a smaller Democratic Party is purged of the Blue Dogs and is now a solidly liberal party, while the Republicans remain out on the far-right.  Now the "center" has shifted back to center to center-right, as it was a few decades ago.

          Yes, it is an arcane formulation and it shouldn't work like that, but it is what we're stuck with as long as the corporate media and establishment politicians treat the political center of the country as the middle point between the two parties.

          Between excessive citizen activism and excessive trust or passivity, the former is far preferable to the latter. - Glenn Greenwald

          by An Affirming Flame on Wed May 12, 2010 at 09:53:36 PM PDT

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    •  when you say "more institutions failed," (4+ / 0-)

      don't forget that the current crisis is hardly at an end.

      11 US banks failed over five years from 2003 through 2007.
      25 US banks failed in 2008.
      140 US banks failed in 2009.
      68 US banks have failed thus far in 2010.

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:09:09 PM PDT

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