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  •  Oh, thank God (13+ / 0-)

    There are still liberals on this site!

    The superiority of FDR's plan over Reagan's is obvious in many, many ways.  One of the most glaring is the stability of the U.S. economy under FDR rules v the bubbles of Reagan's.

    (White) People consider the 50s the golden age but don't understand that it was because of New Deal programs and the financial regulations put in place by FDR that gave more people a chance at the American dream.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Wed May 12, 2010 at 05:34:43 PM PDT

    •  The single biggest factor, in my opinion, (8+ / 0-)

      in creating the economic golden age of the 50s was that we told anybody who had served in WWII or Korea that they could go to college on the government's dime.

      damned sad how many of them forgot that it was government socialism that gave them the chance to live their American Dreams.

      but it wasn't just the GI bill.

      in 1956, the minimum wage was $1/hour, and a year's tuition and fees at a particular Land Grant University was about $125.

      think about that. 500 hours' worth of unskilled work grossed an entire 4 years' worth of tuition.

      today, it takes more like 6000 hours' worth of such labor.

      everything you need to know about the middle-class squeeze is right there in that number.

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:17:10 PM PDT

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    •  FDR wasn't liberal (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, I call it 'Obamacare' because Obama cares.

      by SpaceJunk on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:19:28 PM PDT

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      •  His policies (2+ / 0-)
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        certainly were.

        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

        by TracieLynn on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:26:08 PM PDT

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        •  Not to liberals at the time. (0+ / 0-)

          Maybe compared to Reagan's policies, but many liberals bitched about FDR all the time when he was in office. He was a 'tool' for wall street, a warmonger etc etc.

          Yes, I call it 'Obamacare' because Obama cares.

          by SpaceJunk on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:29:56 PM PDT

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          •  How was (2+ / 0-)
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            he a tool for wall street exactly?  Seems to me that he called them economic royalists and said he welcomed their hatred...to paraphrase.

            The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

            by TracieLynn on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:32:42 PM PDT

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            •  That's what he said (0+ / 0-)

              'All talk FDR is'. FDR felt he saved wall street, yet the folks on wall street called him a socialist (even though he ruled out bank nationalization). I don't think FDR was a tool, but many populists at the time thought he wasn't 'tough enough', he was 'merely a tool for wall street'.

              Yes, I call it 'Obamacare' because Obama cares.

              by SpaceJunk on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:37:09 PM PDT

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              •  I do know (1+ / 0-)
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                that the right worked for decades to get rid of FDR's programs and regulations.  As Rush said, "Roosevelt is dead.  His policies live on, but we're doing something about that as well."  (again, paraphrasing.)  And, I do think Roosevelt probably did save capitalism, which is probably a good thing.  Capitalism is probably the best system as long as it is regulated and we are all playing by the same rules.

                The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

                by TracieLynn on Wed May 12, 2010 at 06:51:23 PM PDT

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          •  He was, in some respects, (1+ / 0-)
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            rather in the position Obama's in now:

            many liberals bitched about FDR all the time when he was in office. He was a 'tool' for wall street, a warmonger etc

            He wasn't far enough left for some, and he was too far over for others. I had a grandfather who went to his grave cursing Roosevelt as a traitor to his class.

            I think when we get some perspective on Obama, we may see that his strategy is less accommodationist than we now think. He came into office following eight years in which a cabal had tight control over all the levers of power and undoubtedly left behind a good many moles.

            Were he to say flat out some of the left-leaning things we'd like to hear, the obstructionists would go after him even more than they have already.

            OK, so maybe he does turn out to be an incompetent sell-out. But I'd prefer to give him some benefit of the doubt for a while longer. The ship of state is a hella big vessel, with a lot of inertia once underway, and it takes a very long time to slow something like that down enough to turn it without capsizing.

            If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.--A Boston cabbie, to Gloria Steinem, in the 1970s

            by Mnemosyne on Wed May 12, 2010 at 07:16:37 PM PDT

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