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  •  As a recent convert to a one-state solution... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I would nevertheless consider this a silly diary.  Why would an occupying army permit a private citizen of a third party/country, who's completely hostile to the occupying power, to make a visit?  Just for kicks?  

    This is only a diary that it would occur to anyone to write because Israel itself is relatively pluralist and democratic.  It would be completely trivial and unworthy of attention that Jordan (to cite a relatively mild example, but still a dictatorship) didn't allow a US critic of Jordanian treatment of (Palestinians, Jordanians, Iraqi refugees, you name it) into the country.  

    Note also that the US has a pretty mixed record on letting foreign critics of our country's policies into the country.

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    by Rich in PA on Sun May 16, 2010 at 05:28:08 PM PDT

    •  Jordan would probably not welcome (4+ / 0-)

      Chomsky, since Chomsky is a supporter of democracy in the Middle East.

      of course, Jordan rolls out the red carpet for President Obama.

      i do agree with this:

      Note also that the US has a pretty mixed record on letting foreign critics of our country's policies into the country.

      anyone that has read chomsky and appreciates his viewpoint is not likely to suppose that the US is an example of democracy or fairness.

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      by Tom J on Sun May 16, 2010 at 05:46:11 PM PDT

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      •  I just think we need to focus on actual injustice (0+ / 0-)

        It's a completely trivial injustice that a foreign academic can't come to speak against a military occupation, in occupied territory and to victims of the occupation.  I'm not sure in what sense it would be an occupation if they let Chomsky come to visit.  

        If we could focus on Palestinians rather than on Americans or Swedes or whoever, that would be most useful in my opinion.

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        by Rich in PA on Sun May 16, 2010 at 05:52:42 PM PDT

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        •  chomsky has spoken in the West Bank (4+ / 0-)

          several times. it was certainly an occupation then.
          but it is trivial compared to many other things that the occupation has done. Not allowing Palestinians to build on much of the West Bank, the terrible difficulties of ordinary Palestinians in getting to school or work or their workplaces is another example.

          and it will be trivial as compared to what may happen in the next few weeks, as Israel may forcefully prevent hundreds from entering Gaza, along with the humanitarian aid they are bringing.

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          by Tom J on Sun May 16, 2010 at 06:07:05 PM PDT

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    •  Re: democratic (4+ / 0-)

      This is only a diary that it would occur to anyone to write because Israel itself is relatively pluralist and democratic.  It would be completely trivial and unworthy of attention that Jordan...

       And yet that is exactly the point, and shows that it isn't "silly". Israel lowering itself to the standard of Jordan is not something to be proud of.
        Israel can't be a democracy and ban unpopular, fact-based ideas at the same time.

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      by gjohnsit on Sun May 16, 2010 at 05:51:43 PM PDT

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      •  Heh...well, two things (1+ / 0-)
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        They're not allowing him into the West Bank, which is frankly occupied territory.  If you told me they weren't letting him into 1948-1967 "Israel proper," it would be interesting.

        And let's get real...Tom the diarist presumably doesn't think of Israel as a democracy except in an apartheid sense, so I don't know that his concern is with the integrity of Israeli democracy.

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        by Rich in PA on Sun May 16, 2010 at 05:55:22 PM PDT

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      •  Just to be clear: (5+ / 0-)

        whatever one thinks of Jordan, it's nowhere near as repressive as Israeli rule in the occupied Palestinian territory. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza live under the control of a foreign government in which they have no say and which is openly hostile to their existence. They live under a separate, inferior system of military, subject to the arbitrary whims of a hostile military power. They're living, in effect, under a total military dictatorship, but one that is progressively stripping them of any basis for independent livelihood, confining them to ever smaller areas of land, systematically violating their basic civil and human rights and periodically massacring, maiming and torturing them in their thousands.

        Again, whatever one thinks of Jordan, it's not doing that.

    •  Chomsky is not completely hostile to Israel (8+ / 0-)

      He's a lifelong zionist. He just also  happens to think that Israel should treat Palestinians better. That does not make him completely hostile to Israel any more than my criticism of the torture, rendition and war policies of the US since 2002 makes me completley hostile to America.

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      by Fire bad tree pretty on Sun May 16, 2010 at 06:08:56 PM PDT

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