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  •  That's funny... (6+ / 0-)

    considering that during this, the most severe recession since the Great Depression, crime has continued to go down.

    The "poverty is the root cause of crime" meme is looking a lot less certain than it did ten years ago. It may be the case that "lock up repeat criminals for a long, long time" is actually the right idea after all.

    The data are still coming in, but it's not looking real good for one of our most cherished ideas.

    We have some reevaluation to do, I think. Conservatives are not the only ones guilty of assuming that what they wish were true actually is true, simply because they want it to be.

    --Shannon

    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
    "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

    by Leftie Gunner on Tue May 18, 2010 at 11:13:49 AM PDT

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    •  take your logic and reason elsewhere (4+ / 0-)

      LOL

      Seriously, that would be a tough discovery: that aggressive incarceration has reduced crime. I'm going to have trouble dealing with that if the data shows us it's true.

      •  Why? (6+ / 0-)

        If that's what turns out to be the case, why would it be hard to deal with?

        Maybe I'm just insufficiently ideological, but I've always thought that public policy should be driven by data. What works is what we should do, regardless of how it feels.

        I guess I just don't think that emotions have much place in policy-making.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Tue May 18, 2010 at 12:53:33 PM PDT

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        •  the biggest reason (4+ / 0-)

          is that I have a fundamental problem with mandatory sentencing for drug usage, and I'm in favor of ending the war on drugs and legalizing everything. So, if mandatory sentencing has actually reduced violent crime, that's going to be frustrating.

          But I know that there is more to the incarceration story that just mandatory sentencing.

          And I definitely agree with you that good data analysis should drive public policy. So I'll have to adjust my views accordingly.

          •  There's a difference between harsh sentences (6+ / 0-)

            for something that not everybody thinks should even be illegal, like selling or possessing drugs, and harsh sentences for things that everybody agrees must be crimes, like robbery, rape, assault, and murder.

            So don't let the specifics of the drug war get in the way of rational consideration of criminal policy in other areas. They don't have to be connected in that way.

            Of course, ending drug prohibition would reduce the level of a lot of other crimes, as well... but that has nothing at all to do with the appropriate punishment for those crimes that would occur after repeal.

            Even if all drugs were legalized tomorrow, we would still have violent criminals, albeit fewer of them, and we would still have to decide what to do with them.

            --Shannon

            "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
            "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

            by Leftie Gunner on Tue May 18, 2010 at 02:03:05 PM PDT

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