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  •  Yeah but what if teabaggers win in Nov? (0+ / 0-)

    What if Reid can't get past 42-43 percent?

    What if enough people really do take to the extreme anti-government fundamentalism that Rand Paul and the teabaggers espouse?

    Personally, I think I'd rather see Lowden squeak out a win because I think she's permanently damaged by Chicken-for-checkups.  If she were to win though, she'd just be another Republican senator.  

    But if we end up with Senator Angle and Senator Paul, the mainstream will give them (and their "ideas") even more "credibility" and we'll have a huge problem on our hands.  We'll never hear the end of it.  

    I'm not exactly cheering that these teabaggers are romping over establishment candidates because I don't have faith in the low-information general public's ability to realize these extremists for what they really are.

    The fact that there's anyone who seriously thinks Palin could run a country scares the shit out of me.

    Proud to share my name with Howard Dean

    by DeanNC on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 11:18:40 AM PDT

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    •  What if grandma had balls...she would be grandpa (3+ / 0-)
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      What if, what if, what if....

      Hate the what ifs. Go out there and get in the field and WORK

      You can plan a pretty picnic but you can't predict the weather

      by LoLoLaLa on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 11:27:41 AM PDT

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    •  You're not really scared. (0+ / 0-)

      Here's a thought for you...

      What if the people voting for them realize exactly what they really are.

      Scared now?

      Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

      by dinotrac on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 11:51:52 AM PDT

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      •  I'm just saying careful of what you wish for (0+ / 0-)

        Lowden is pretty damaged as a candidate now and I think I'd rather Reid face her.  She'll never live down Chickens for Checkups.

        After seeing the american people vote for Bush twice, my confidence in their ability to detect bullshit is not very high.

        Proud to share my name with Howard Dean

        by DeanNC on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 02:03:32 PM PDT

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        •  You do have to consider the opposition. (0+ / 0-)

          Gore should have been a good candidate, but wasn't.
          Kerry was just a joke.

          Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

          by dinotrac on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 02:51:32 PM PDT

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          •  Kerry was not a joke (0+ / 0-)

            Had there been a reasonable number of voting machines in Democratic strongholds in Ohio, he would have won an incredible upset victory.

            This would have been in spite of a country where 59% said the country was doing "very well" or fairly well" the week before the election in this Gallup poll - (Question 7 A)

            This was in spite of the Catholic church fighting harder than against any other Democrat in any year - because it was likely that 2 conservatives would be replaced on the Supreme Court.

            This was in spite of parts of the Democratic party preferring to wait to get Hillary Clinton in 2008, when Bush would be the one blamed for the mess he created that many did not see in 2004. (Ask yourself if the "generation's best natural politician really did not see that being out on a book tour in July 2004, backing Bush on Iraq and trashing the left while answering that the reason to every interviewer's question was "because I could" was the best way to help a Democrat in 2004.)

            Then there was the media bias. The media condoned a character assassination. It still troubles me that they did not even ask the SBV for lies for any proof for charges that contradicted the official Navy record. In addition, they repeated Republican lies without giving the Kerry responses. They ignored that Kerry had his full (non-medical) records on line from April on. All the fitness reports were there - they spanned the entire about 3 and a half years he was in the Navy.

            The fact is there was no "Kerry" story vs the "SBVT". It was the official Navy record vs the liars.

            In addition, TV coverage of the record attendance Kerry rallies was stilted and never covered any of the "major" speeches  as they did candidates before or after him. In addition, he is the ONLY major party candidate, for whom the media did not do the usual puff piece biographies typically done before the convention. This even though his life would have made it very easy.

            Kerry nearly won almost entirely on his excellent debates. Having watched on CSPAN, I really doubt he could have done much more than he actually did.

            •  Kerry was a joke. (0+ / 0-)

              All the "shoulda, coulda, wouldas" in the world don't change the fact that you're making excuses for the fact that he couldn't beat a severely damaged George Bush in 2004.

              His close call in 2004 came because of, not in spite of, George Bush.  I can't imagine him trying to unseat a real president.

              You talk about Swift Boats, but it seems a very large part of the 2004 election was Kerry saying he was in Vietnam and George Bush wasn't.  We were in two freakin' wars at the time, and the guy wants to talk 40 year old history? And oh -- the whole vote for the Iraq invasion thing? Being duped, etc? Yeah, real confidence-inspiring.

              And it didn't help that his sugar-mama wife didn't think that librarians had real jobs.

              As to the debates, a funny thing happened along the way.
              He clearly won the first debate -- even with the little "you forgot Poland" bit, making Bush look his intellect.

              By the end, it became clear that he couldn't think on his feet, that he was repeating themes by rote. Bush may not have won the overall debates, but Kerry didn't exactly knock him out.  Pretty pitiful, that.

              Was a joke, is a joke.  Couldn't beat Bush. What more proof do you need?

              Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

              by dinotrac on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 01:32:56 AM PDT

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              •  Most of your comments prove my point on the media (0+ / 0-)

                Kerry did not spend a "very large part of 2004 speaking of Vietnam". He mentioned it in most stump speeches only in saying that "he served his country as a young man in Vietnam and then returned to speak out against a war that he saw was wrong" (approximate words)  That was it.

                As to the Iraq vote, he did not say he was duped, he spoke of Bush not taking the steps that he promised the Senators he would take - and he did not go to war only as a last resort. (he had a long list including letting the inspectors do their job and exhausting diplomacy etc)

                The media did not cover much of Kerry's speeches or his positions. Kerry's spoke far longer on the environment and alternative energy in each speech. He spoke longer on health care in every speech. He spoke more about intelligently dealing with non state terrorists. Apparently, you weren't listening, although in fairness only on CSPAN could you have heard it.

                Teresa Heinz Kerry is John Kerry's wife and a wonderful person. You are disgusting referring to her as a "sugar - mama. But, this likely tells me that you never got over the 2004 primaries.

                As to Teresa's comment you completely distorted it - as did the media. It was a landmine question. Teresa was asked how she would be a different First Lady than Laura was. As Laura had wonderful press as a perfect First Lady, what could she say.

                After saying some very nice things about Laura and how she helped the President and the country, what Teresa said was that one difference was that she took a lot of her own identity from the work that she did with her foundation. She then said that this was the biggest difference as Laura had not worked as "an adult".

                Teresa  said, when the Republicans objected, that she had forgotten that Laura Bush worked as a teacher and a librarian - and those were of course jobs.

                However, Teresa's answer had she said "since she was young" would define a major difference. Laura last worked as a librarian in 1977 when she married Bush. She had not worked since she was in her twenties.

                The fact is the media minimized Teresa's work. She led on Green building and it is due to her leadership that Pittsburgh has the largest green conference center and is one of the greenest cities in the country. Her work here was well thought of enough that GHWB appointed her a nongovernmental delegate to the Rio conference. After that conference, she and others, including Kerry, founded Second Nature, which had a goal of getting sustainability included in college curriculum for various fields.

                In addition, it was Teresa, who initiated the effort by the Pittsburgh foundations to revitalize the city in the 1990s when it was very depressed.

                Teresa Heinz Kerry is an incredible woman and she was smeared more than her husband was in 2004.

                As to the debates, the fact is that Kerry won all three - as even the biased talking heads conceded. He was very good on his feet. It might be that some of the clever answers that you likely thought of at home watching the TV would have been less than clever after one became a major faux pas. He was not rotely answering with themes - he answered every question with succinct facts, positions and plans.

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