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  •  The individual mandate requires you to (2+ / 0-)
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    G2geek, maybeeso in michigan

    participate in the cash economy.  You can't just say fuck it and live in the woods like an animal anymore....

    They see me trollin'. They hatin' Don't make my high school civics teacher out to be a liar and expect me to like it.

    by obnoxiotheclown on Sun May 23, 2010 at 10:16:46 PM PDT

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    •  which is yet another reason to fight it. (2+ / 0-)
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      maybeeso in michigan, Visceral

      I'm not even going to go into the constitutional issues, that government has no authority to require individuals to enter into contracts with other private parties, because that will start a huge digression.

      Instead, here's a hypothetical:

      The federal poverty line for a single individual is about $10k, and for a family of four it's about $22k.

      So let's say you're living substantially below that.

      Let's say for one person, $7.5k before taxes, which works out to about $6k after taxes.  (There are ways to do this, and me & mine have some ideas about that.)

      Or for a family of four, $22k, which works out to about $18.5k after taxes.  

      However, "For instance, for the 2006 tax year, singles under age 65 years were exempt from filing federal tax returns only if they reported income of $8,450 or less."  (source:  http://www.ehow.com/... )

      The individual mandate results in a fine of $695 or 2.5% of income, whichever is higher.  However:  "Those whose incomes are low enough that they are not required to file a tax return would be exempt from this requirement."  (source:  http://www.policydiary.com/...  )

      How exactly does the government expect to squeeze the blood from the turnips?

      "I don't have money" is equivalent to "I can't flap my arms and fly."  No amount of threats or fines are going to produce money where there is no money, any more than they're going to grow breasts on men or testicles on women.  And if the gov wants to open up debtors' prisons for people who don't have money, that will truly provoke an armed uprising.  So in the most pragmatically practical sense, I seriously doubt they are going to go there.  

      By the time we're done, we are going to end up with a public option.  

      •  Think what trouble a really good organizer could (1+ / 0-)
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        G2geek

        get started in a debtors' prison.

        Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. Jonathan Swift ....Papers,please.

        by maybeeso in michigan on Mon May 24, 2010 at 01:29:29 PM PDT

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