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  •  Oh, thank you. I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nietzsche is so wonderful and what he said was so ruined by his sister and brother-in-law.  Have you heard of the community in Argentina they founded.  Really sick society.  Last I heard, about 30 were still there, but most were so inbred that let's just say there was no more "Will to Power" left.  Sick, sick people so misused poor Friedrich.

    Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." -- Patti Smith

    by followyourbliss on Thu May 20, 2010 at 12:18:12 PM PDT

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    •  Wow! No, I'd never heard of that. (0+ / 0-)

      What's it called?  I need to look it up.

      I used to have a tag-line that read, "Is the victim moral?"  I thought it cut to the core of much of conflict-politics: competitive victimhood, and victimhood (a la the T party) as a prerequisite for moral standing.

      Yeah.  A whole bunch of people got THAT.

      Ever read Deleuze?  Somebody on here has that as their user ID.

      It takes a movement to change the world, and the Oval Office just can't hold all of us --- me, in a moment of pithy pique.

      by oxon on Thu May 20, 2010 at 12:24:42 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know the name, and it's probably (2+ / 0-)
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        been ten years since I read about them.  But my guess is if you put Argentina and Nietzsche in the Google, you might find something.  I've never heard of Deleuze.  Who is s/he?  What does s/he say?

        Friedrich's sister "wrote" "Will to Power" by pulling Nietzsche's discarded sections out of the trash, thus forever literally trashing what he truly believed.  There's a reason he threw those pieces away, but, like the modern Tea Baggers, long discarded, segmented ideas are enough for them to destroy the actual thought behind the sentiment.  Witness the idea that they are supposed to be "populist."  But their form of "populism" ends up blaming those below them economically rather than the true culprits, the true elite -- the banksters.  Instead they defend the exact people who harm them rather than defend those harmed.  It's pathetic, but predictable and racist at its very heart.  Much like what Nietzsche's sister did with his thought.

        Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." -- Patti Smith

        by followyourbliss on Thu May 20, 2010 at 12:36:00 PM PDT

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        •  You should read Deleuze if you get the chance. (1+ / 0-)
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          Warning: Can be intimidating.  Just e-mail me if you tackle him, and I'll guide you through.

          Gilles Deleuze was considered to be the most important philosopher in France after Foucault's death, and in fact, the two knew and respected each other.  Deleuze rehabilitated Nietzsche in the West, rescuing him from his post-mortem fling with the Reich, re-elevated Spinoza, and went on to incorporate them (along with Henri Bergson) into a searingly brilliant corpus of original thought.  He co-authored some important books with Felix Guattari.

          A thumbnail won't do it justice, but he takes Nietzsche's intersection of forces (from Spinoza), filters it through Bergson's work on memory, to argue (inter alia) that the ethical act is the creative act.  We subtly create each other through our actions, retained in memory which shapes us.  In the same way as all things are the result of intersections, of collisions, of caresses.  

          The ethical, then, is not to refrain from a negative act so much as engage in a positive one, to render the other more capable of action than he/she was before.  To amplify each other.

          Nietzsche considered that forces were active or reactive.  Deleuze (especially with Guattari) complicates this wonderfully by demonstrating all manner of interactions.  His is a celebration of complexity in and of itself.

          It takes a movement to change the world, and the Oval Office just can't hold all of us --- me, in a moment of pithy pique.

          by oxon on Thu May 20, 2010 at 01:24:26 PM PDT

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        •  Nueva Germania. Paraguay. (0+ / 0-)

          Founded by Aryan supremacists to get away from "Jewish Influence."  As you say, the colony failed.  The supreme ones tried to use "superior" German agricultural technology in the jungle.  Good one.

          It takes a movement to change the world, and the Oval Office just can't hold all of us --- me, in a moment of pithy pique.

          by oxon on Thu May 20, 2010 at 01:59:07 PM PDT

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