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  •  Suffice to say that I disagree (0+ / 0-)

    entirely.  You are reading the superman as an external, separate other, just as Rand did.

    That wasn't his point.  The point was to engage rather than judge, to dance rather than suffer, even if it is harder to do.  The call isn't to SERVE Dionysus, but to be Dionysus.

    See, he starts from Spinoza's Ethics which (to brutally simplify) posits that the capacity for action is the same as being.  To enhance the capacity for action (power; puissance; capability) is to enhance being.  In this reading there is more will to power in an average one year-old than in all the political leaders ever assembled.  It is the desire to become.

    The dictator, the king, the emperor, is, in fact, an example of "slave-mentality," motivated by resentment.  Much as the T party is.  But resentment running counter to a straight-forward desire, gets one nowhere.

    Should desire be tied to judgement?  His rejection of judgment is not a rejection of ethical action.  Rather he extends Spinoza's point that ethical action means enhancing the other, combining with the other, not just refraining from harm.

    That, at least, are some of the aspects of his work that find compelling and relevant.

    It takes a movement to change the world, and the Oval Office just can't hold all of us --- me, in a moment of pithy pique.

    by oxon on Thu May 20, 2010 at 01:37:02 PM PDT

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    •  That is completely illogical (1+ / 0-)
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      The king is of the "slave mentality"? That's illogical. The king is by definition the master. Teabaggers resent the rest of us because they are deluded into believing that we have power over them, when in fact they - or rather their corporatist masters - have power over all of us, and merely lie to the teabaggers in order to use them: just as any master would.

      The 'slave morality' at its simplest is when one first defines evil, and good is defined automatically by evil as its opposite. It is the slave who resents the master, and so he defines the master as evil, and therefore to be good is not to be a master or anything that a master is.

      Conversely, the 'master morality' begins with the definition of good as identical to oneself, and much as before, evil is automatically defined by good as its opposite: i.e. anything other than oneself. At best you have the makings of a psychopath who is coldly indifferent to the suffering he causes as he works to maximize himself.

      You say that the average one-year-old has more 'will to power' than all the politicians in the world. I question this - a one-year-old can barely walk, never mind think or want anything other than milk - but besides ... who in their right mind would want to live in a world created by and for toddlers, and toddlers with absolute power no less? This is essentially what Nietzsche proposes: a world ruled by beings who arbitrarily elevate their basest impulses to supreme morality.

      That arbitrariness is how Nietzsche (and you) can argue that "His rejection of judgment is not a rejection of ethical action" - that amorality is functionally indistinguishable from morality because it is internally self-consistent. The übermensch is moral only because he has declared himself to be; his personal moral code is just as circular as god-based moral codes. Both philosophies justify this by arguing that God and the übermensch metaphysically define morality for the Universe and everyone in it and therefore can only be judged by their own standards.

      P1: X is good, where X is God or the übermensch.
      P2: X is X.
      C: X is good.
      The simplest definition of circular logic is where the premise and the conclusion are identical.

      Nothing in Nietzsche suggests that the superman is not meant to be a flesh-and-blood human. What is the relevance of his philosophy if it is not a prescription for humanity? I could also take a page from Wittgenstein and argue that the "real" Nietzsche is the [deliberately] misinterpreted one, given the nature of the people most attracted to Nietzsche's philosophy, along with the gist of Nietzsche is that one ought to become [like] the superman.

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