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  •  Yes,,.you got it. (0+ / 0-)

    The matter of expelling 12 million people is just a matter of enforcing the law.  

    "What is the robbing of a Bank compared to the FOUNDING of a Bank?" Bertolt Brecht

    by thethinveil on Thu May 20, 2010 at 05:34:30 PM PDT

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    •  Glad we agree (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously, this IMO is giving them a gift. The alternative is deportation. I also don't see this having a detrimental effect on us on balance. It may depress wages of high school dropouts in the US, but it also frees skilled laborers here to do what they specialize in. If anything it increases freedom, not decreases it.

      I would, though, tax companies employing such labor, partly to help low-income US citizens affected by its competition.

      •  The 'Marginal Utility Of Work' Only Works (2+ / 0-)
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        It may depress wages of high school dropouts in the US, but it also frees skilled laborers here to do what they specialize in

        If those skilled laborers have skilled labor jobs to go to. This is exactly one of the primary problems with the U.S. economy today. Illegal immigration is squeezing the middle class from below, and offshoring is squeezing it from above. We, as a country can no longer employ a critical mass of our own citizens in sustainable 'high paying' jobs.

        If you think that all of those auto workers in Detroit, or farther back all of those textile workers in Kannapolis happily went on to jobs which payed more in wages and benefits then the jobs that they left, I've got a great bridge in San Francisco.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:20:08 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah freedom for whom? (1+ / 0-)
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        You are talking about the freedom for corporations to leave guest workers without rights, and without services. They are already helping our general economy. But they are depressing unskilled worker's wages, as you mention. It will create an underclass for a generation, and worsen racial tensions.

        We have to give them full rights, or we leave them defenseless. True, unskilled full citizens will resent a guest worker program just as much. They will be left without a place to go. We solve that by fixing NAFTA, and putting in place a green WPA.  

        Picking on the weak is for bullies. We need be involved in lifting everyone up.  

        "What is the robbing of a Bank compared to the FOUNDING of a Bank?" Bertolt Brecht

        by thethinveil on Thu May 20, 2010 at 06:34:06 PM PDT

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        •  We have weak in our own society (0+ / 0-)

          I think the difference between your philosophy and mine is that I want to help our weak first. I think NAFTA sucks and might support a green WPA too, though I'd also focus on retraining programs and free education. But I have no fundamental problem with allowing many noncitizens who do not collect government benefits into the country. My concern is the welfare of US citizens and permanent residents and I think this plan benefits them. I would however tax corporations that employed guest workers with a special tax to fund some of these programs, which I think addresses the equality concern. Anyway I must sign off, so bye and thanks for the discussion.

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