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  •  Got a problem with it? (1+ / 0-)
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    Have you had a meal lately?  That required tons of oil and water.  You call yourself an environmentalist?

    •  I don't drive 45 miles (0+ / 0-)

      in a polluting car to buy a meal, let alone to birdwatch.

      You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

      by Opakapaka on Sat May 22, 2010 at 06:12:31 PM PDT

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      •  A difference of degrees (4+ / 0-)

        Your meal requires oil, water, fertilizers, packaging, and the labor doesn't get there on its own.  How does your grocer get to work, or the people who grew the grain/meat/veg?  

        How about, you don't tell me or others how to live our lives?

        Being progressive also means, not being an authoritarian.  And being holier than thou, potentially makes you something more irrelevant than the tea partiers.

      •  Do you ever fly to see a loved one or friend? (2+ / 0-)
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        Do you ever drive for any kind of recreational activity?  

        I am 57 years old and I have learned that my patience is finite.

        by chicago minx on Sat May 22, 2010 at 06:18:55 PM PDT

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      •  I drive about twice that every weekday... (0+ / 0-)

        with enough long trips on weekends and vacations to make it add up to 365 days a year.  
        I'm glad that you're saving fuel so I can keep doing so.

        In the DKos debate of a center-left vs. center right country, my vote is for "profoundly conservative".

        by Bronx59 on Sat May 22, 2010 at 07:01:49 PM PDT

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        •  And the point is, (1+ / 0-)
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          this is why the polar ice caps are melting. Because we can't go birdwatching without putting half our body weight worth of CO2 into the atmosphere.

          The answer is to reorganize our society around public transportation.

          You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

          by Opakapaka on Sat May 22, 2010 at 07:06:53 PM PDT

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          •  Those 50 passenger boxes racing almost empty (0+ / 0-)

            ...a couple of times an hour up and down the main drag about a mile from my house?  The passenger miles per gallon make a Corvette or a Hummer more efficient.  ...and there's that mile to the bus stop.  Not everybody can hike a hilly mile in all weather conditions.

            Sorry, there is only enough housing in walkable and transit-friendly neighborhoods for perhaps 15% of the U.S. population.  It's so bad that large chunks of New York City aren't suitable for life without a car.

            It would take 50 to 75 years to change that, especially with our huge sunk cost in new housing stock.  

            Our only real possibility is more efficient personal transportation.  Factor of three efficiency improvements in 20 years are not out of the question.

            In the DKos debate of a center-left vs. center right country, my vote is for "profoundly conservative".

            by Bronx59 on Sat May 22, 2010 at 07:23:53 PM PDT

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            •  It'll happen whether you like it or not. (0+ / 0-)

              Cheap gas is a thing of the past. Oil is non-renewable, and fast depleting. If we don't change our ways, societies who do will fast surpass us.

              You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

              by Opakapaka on Sat May 22, 2010 at 08:37:07 PM PDT

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