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    canadian gal

    I'm an economist.  The part of my brain normally devoted to morality was lobotomized and replaced with game theory.

    I'm just don't see why Manchiesm is irrelevant.  There weren't many good guys in Yugaslavia and Sudan but we managed to move closer to solutions over there. Just such diplomacy requires a combo of carrots and sticks to achieve, which requires being nice to "good guys" and bad to "bad guys."

    Obviously, ends don't justify the means.  But if the means is giving Israelis money they don't deserve, or moving a ceasefire line a few miles and the ends are to allow refugees to live a normal life after 60 years...I'm okay with it.

    In any case, as an economist I'm incapable of communicating ideas in writing, so I'll shut up now.

    •  well earl of sandwich (1+ / 0-)
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      Manchiesm aside, such an odd juxtaposition mixing the new 'hopeful message' w/the idea of rejecting american involvement in the process. the latter segueing smoothly with the popular position for may rightwing zionists both here and israel, ain't gonna happen tho.

      thought i'd drag in a little gossip from the hebrew press just to spice things up. Nahum Barnea: Haim Ramon advised Dan Shapiro to wait with negotiations for Livni

      This week, my Washington sources insist, special envoy George Mitchell is going to start talking about the core issues. Netanyahu is going to have to discuss Jerusalem and borders. If not to talk, to listen. His space for maneuver is diminishing. The right wing in his party is breathing down his neck.

      Will he do what Sharon did, split his party and replace his coalition with a different one? For Sharon, the decision to splinter the party was born of a scheme, a plan. He was absolutely not willing to give the diplomatic initiative to the Americans. Netanyahu has no plan for the moment, and is less troubled than Sharon by losing the initiative. He is happy with his present coalition.

      Does Tzipi Livni hold the keys? Recently, Dan Shapiro, the head of the Israel desk at the National Security Council, met Haim Ramon, head of the Kadima council. The meeting was at the "206" restaurant in north Tel Aviv, opposite Kiryat Shaul. Ramon told Shapiro: wait for Tzipi. She will be much more amenable to you.

      Shapiro understood that was the advice Ramon was also giving the Palestinians. Don’t make progress in the negotiations. Wait for Tzipi. As far as I know, Ramon did not receive Tzipi’s blessing for the advice he gave — neither to the Palestinians nor to the Americans.

      As far as the American negotiating team is concerned, that conversation was not a coordination attempt between friends, but an intelligence gathering mission. Now they know who is undermining their negotiations.

    •  i don't disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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      but did you mean irrelevant or relevant? and i think you are communicating just fine.

      "You can make a profound intellectual statement just by basing your efforts on silliness." -- Donald Roller Wilson

      by canadian gal on Sun May 23, 2010 at 11:56:20 AM PDT

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    •  I'm an economist too (3+ / 0-)
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      zannie, soysauce, simone daud

      The part of my brain normally devoted to morality was lobotomized and replaced with game theory.

      No, that part of your brain was replaced by the delusion, carefully nourished by neoclassical economics, that you actually engage in a positive, non-normative science that is value-free. On that, I call bullshit. Economics reeks of premises that are heavily value-laden about markets, human economic behavior, social welfare, individual utility and so on. The world cannot be considered independently of our beliefs about world. Go read Rationality in Econmics by Shaun Hargreaves Heap or on Ethics and Economics by Amartya Sen.

      Buffy: "Your logic does not resemble our earth logic" Xander: "Mine is much more advanced". BtVS, The Wish.

      by Fire bad tree pretty on Sun May 23, 2010 at 05:11:46 PM PDT

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