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  •  i am aware... (0+ / 0-)

    of the meaning of a manichean world-view and i do indeed believe that many here subscribe to this thinking, which is noted above a characteristic of neo-conservative thinking.

    nuance of understanding the complexities of the history of israel, palestine and its peoples is a moral imperative. not to mention the other countries involved.

    as to the who - like naming names? i don't think that this is helpful as it would contribute more to this terrible cult of personality that permeates these threads. but we just saw this in a comment above where "don't think because you ascribe to a 'both sides do it' form of defense for israels crimes that makes you more 'complicated' or less manchean than anyone commenting here, it only makes your explanations more transparently evasive."

    i hear these shrieks for dismissing context as supporting the occupation, terrorism amongst a variety of other accusations at others whom choose to not see the situation in black and white.

    so simply this diary will not go over well with those who see the situation in the middle east in a manichean way - who that is shall be left up to your own opinion.

    "You can make a profound intellectual statement just by basing your efforts on silliness." -- Donald Roller Wilson

    by canadian gal on Sun May 23, 2010 at 05:37:49 PM PDT

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      it goes over well with you because you don't have a manichean view of the Middle East? And it goes over badly with those who do have a manichean view of the Middle East?

      If that is indeed your position then you may not have named names but you have certainly left none of us in doubt of whom you meant is manichean. Your evasiveness has not been helpful but rather the opposite. You make your framing and accusations quite clear. I think this method you are choosing is quite ugly. You smear by broad brush, reserving to yourself the high moral ground and dismissing those who disagree with you as 'shrieking' or engaging in a 'cult of personality'. You may not see this but that's how this comes across. I think it would be better if you didn't engage in these sorts of smears, particularly if you value productive exchanges in this community.

      The sad thing is, as weasel has pointed out, this diary is not presenting an alternative to a manichean world view. So we have the illogic of you saying you are non-manichean, supporting a diary that is manichean.

      Buffy: "Your logic does not resemble our earth logic" Xander: "Mine is much more advanced". BtVS, The Wish.

      by Fire bad tree pretty on Sun May 23, 2010 at 05:57:13 PM PDT

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      •  alright. (0+ / 0-)

        but you have certainly left none of us in doubt of whom you meant is manichean

        you (or others) disagree with me on what exactly? that this situation is not balck and white? i attempted to explain myself and you call it ugly and a smear - i'm done here.

        "You can make a profound intellectual statement just by basing your efforts on silliness." -- Donald Roller Wilson

        by canadian gal on Sun May 23, 2010 at 06:20:21 PM PDT

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        •  Okay (0+ / 0-)

          I'm left here still not knowing what you mean. But you're right we might be better off leaving it here. I will just repeat that I'm not sure that you see just how your comments are coming across.  

          Buffy: "Your logic does not resemble our earth logic" Xander: "Mine is much more advanced". BtVS, The Wish.

          by Fire bad tree pretty on Sun May 23, 2010 at 07:15:52 PM PDT

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