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  •  Much like desegregation. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't quite understand what's going on with this site, sometimes.  Last year, when people were hounding the president for not ending DADT by executive order, the 'other side' was complaining that an executive order could easily be reversed.  Now the sides are switched.  This is nutty.

    Desegregation - the old saw to which the Obama administration has constantly been held up to and found wanting - was by executive order, did not come with legislative protections, and was not reversed.  That doesn't mean DADT will follow the same path, but I'm a little frustrated that these bits of historical evidence are used or discarded as is convenient.  Were these not concerns when people argued last year for the President to circumvent Congress and issue an executive order?  

    Again, I'm citing both SLDN and the Palm Center on this one, and the necessity of getting Congress out of the policy altogether.  Where that puts us in December is anyone's guess, but yes, I am optimistic because I believe I have reason to be - but your mileage may vary.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Tue May 25, 2010 at 01:27:25 PM PDT

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    •  My argument for an excutive order... (3+ / 0-)

      ...was never that it was a permanent solution, it was that it would prevent the 500-some people from being kicked out of the military under DADT this past year from being kicked out while Congress produced a permanent solution.

    •  It is not nutty. (3+ / 0-)

      The criticism of the previous executive order proposal had merit if one bought the assumption that it would remove incentives for congress to take action and any protections afforded to service members would be entirely contingent on the goodwill of whoever was in the oval office. That becomes an equally valid criticism of this compromise proposal as long as discrimination protections are omitted from it.

      You can have your assumptions about what will happen next year and I can have mine. However, these is no reason to assume that either of us can predict the future. Being concerned about that future is not nutty.

    •  well my position was (3+ / 0-)

      I was never a fan of the EO plan, but recognized it existed, and would have saved the 500 careers that were destroyed in 2009.

      But, I recognized that it was an imperfect and (technically) reversible move (I say technically as it would have been hard to re-introduce DADT is many servicemembers began serving honestly).

      But, now, we've waited 15 months, and will like wait at least another 15 for the same result, a solution that is impermanent.

      We will remember in November.

      by Scott Wooledge on Tue May 25, 2010 at 01:39:22 PM PDT

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    •  Doing it by EO isn't perfect, but (2+ / 0-)
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      What it would have done is allow thousands of GLBT service members do is come out of the closet. There is strength in numbers. If just 10% of the 66,000 GLBT people in the armed services came out, that would me kicking 6,600 people out if the EO is ever reversed. The sheer volume of out service members would make it politically impossible for Conservadems or Republicans to ever reverse it. But that coming out process needs time. It needed to be done early so that large numbers could come out and feel safe being out. Now we are faced with the situation that an EO probably doesn't have enough time to be an effective solution. Democrats have pissed away these two years and may have effectively killed the ability to pass GLBT equality legislation for at a minimum 2 years, but more probably 6-8 years.

      "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

      by craigkg on Tue May 25, 2010 at 03:24:14 PM PDT

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