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  •  So you're gonna claim that his reference (6+ / 0-)

    to a myriad of laws nationwide is fallacious because a subset of that nation has 3 or fewer? Talk about irrational argumentation.

    •  There's no reference (0+ / 0-)

      is there? Just a parroting of the NRA.

      Again, take a look at state laws on any subject.  The ones pertaining to gun ownership are very few compared to most any subject you wish to pursue.

      •  Parroting the NRA would require (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Shadan7, rockhound, buddabelly, oldpunk

        listening to the NRA.

        I don't.

        Fuck the NRA.

        MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

        by KVoimakas on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 09:18:04 AM PDT

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      •  And your point is? (6+ / 0-)

        When does the volume of laws on a subject determine the adequacy of the laws?

        •  It's simple (0+ / 0-)

          ..as my cite shows, there are about 300 state and federal laws pertaining to the manufacture, design, sale, purchase and possession of firearms.

          Spread over 50 states, that's 6 per state.  As the study notes, some states have more--some less.

          KV said there exists a "myriad" of gun laws.  'Myriad' usually means 'countless' or 'large number.'

          The fact is guns are barely regulated which is why we, in the world's most powerful and prosperous nation, enjoy a gun violence problem the equal of many third world nations.

          •  I think your "cite" is bullshit. (6+ / 0-)

            Here are some of the Colorado gun laws.

            Article 26. Firearms - Dealers
            C.R.S. 12-26-102. Retail dealers - record - inspection.
            C.R.S. 12-26-103. Record - failure to make - penalty
            C.R.S. 12-26.1-101. Background checks at gun shows – penalty
            C.R.S. 12-26.1-102. Records – penalty
            C.R.S. 12-26.1-103. Fees imposed by licensed gun dealers
            C.R.S. 12-26.1-104. Posted notice – penalty
            C.R.S. 12-26.1-105. Exemption

            Article 27. Firearms - Purchase in
            Contiguous State
            C.R.S. 12-27-101. Legislative declaration - nonresident.
            C.R.S. 12-27-102. Legislative declaration - residents.
            C.R.S. 12-27-104. Article does not apply – when

            Article 12. Offenses Relating to Firearms and Weapons
            C.R.S. 18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon - affirmative defense.
            C.R.S. 18-12-103. Possession of a defaced firearm.
            C.R.S. 18-12-103.5. Defaced firearms – contraband - destruction.
            C.R.S. 18-12-104. Defacing a firearm
            C.R.S. 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.
            C.R.S. 18-12-105.5. Unlawfully carrying a weapon - unlawful possession of weapons - school, college, or university grounds.
            C.R.S. 18-12-105.6. Limitation on local ordinances regarding firearms in private vehicles.
            C.R.S. 18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons.
            C.R.S. 18-12-107. Penalty for second offense.
            C.R.S. 18-12-108. Possession of weapons by previous offenders.
            C.R.S. 18-12-108.5. Possession of handguns by juveniles - prohibited - exceptions - penalty.
            C.R.S. 18-12-108.7. Unlawfully providing or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun - penalty.
            C.R.S. 18-12-111. Unlawful purchase of firearms.

            Part 2. Permits to Carry Concealed Handguns
            C.R.S. 18-12-201. Legislative declaration.
            C.R.S. 18-12-204. Permit contents - validity – carrying requirements.
            C.R.S. 18-12-210. Maintenance of permit – address change - invalidity of permit.
            C.R.S. 18-12-214. Authority granted by permit-carrying restrictions.
            C.R.S. 18-12-216. Permits issued prior to May 17, 2003.

            Title 24. Government - State
            Article 33.5. Public Safety
            Part 4. Colorado Bureau of Investigation
            C.R.S. 24-33.5-424. National instant criminal background check system - state point of contact - grounds for denial of firearm transfer - appeal - rule-making - unlawful acts - repeal.

            Title 29. Government - Local: Miscellaneous
            Article 11.7. Regulation of Firearms
            C.R.S. 29-11.7-101. Legislative declaration.
            C.R.S. 29-11.7-102. Firearms database - prohibited.
            C.R.S. 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm – prohibited.
            C.R.S. 29-11.7-104. Regulation - carrying - posting.

            There are more than 30 state laws here and I didn't even attempt to cover city or county ordinances let alone federal.  I find it unlikely that there are any states that don't cover firearms at least as well as Colorado does so this idea that each state averages 6 gun control laws is nothing more than contrived horse puckey.

            Don't believe what the politicians do, don't believe what they say, all they want to do is fuck you and get fat on their pay.

            by oldpunk on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 06:37:20 PM PDT

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            •  Oldpunk proves his (0+ / 0-)

              research is less than good.

              The CRS for "OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS
              AND WEAPONS" actually contains two articles, one to cover offenses related to firearms and weapons and one cover CCW permits.

              In fact, many of the weapons addressed in the first article aren't firearms--they have to do with things like stun guns and components to make chemical, biological or other expolsive devices.

              Of course, you're mush smarter than the folks from JHU and Harvard.

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