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  •  Licensing... (6+ / 0-)

    for broadcasting or zoning or protesting is simply not comparable to the simple ownership of a firearm.

    A more accurate comparison would be to require licensing for someone to worship in the church they choose to or to require a license to simply state their opinion.

    I am no more willing to register my religion (or the lack thereof) or to pay a licensing fee or sit through a background check to state my opinion of politics.

    •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

      usually analogies are supposed to be..analagous.

      Actually the licensing of broadcast stations is pretty apt.  

      •  Actually, it's not even close. (7+ / 0-)

        See, broadcasting is not even close to the same thing as simply stating your opinion.  One involves broadcasting, and the other does not.

        I know these fact thingies are problematic for you.

        Keep trying, though, you might catch up at some point.

      •  How is it apt? nt (6+ / 0-)

        MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

        by KVoimakas on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 10:07:19 PM PDT

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        •  It's apt (0+ / 0-)

          because the Govt licenses broadcasters.  This accomplishes a number of purposes: it prevents various outlets from using the same or similar frequencies, it prevents those who might wish to use the airwaves for purposes deemed unsuitable and contributes to the public good by requiring outlets to furnish PSAs, emergency broadcasting and in some cases, educational programming.

          IOW, it allows outlets to engage in their 1A rights in a manner that promotes both accountability and responsibility.

          As we should also do with the 2A.

          The church..err..'analogy' fails because the BoR specifically addresses it in the establishment clause of the 1A.

          •  Interesting. (2+ / 0-)
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            So do you think freedom of speech should be licensed? Perhaps a grammar test for basic English proficiency? A literacy test of some sort and when you pass, hey look, your free speech license?

            MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

            by KVoimakas on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 09:44:56 AM PDT

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            •  Interesting (0+ / 0-)

              that you wish to place words in my mouth.

              As we both know, no rights are absolute and, yeah, they often come with responsibility and accountability.

              But, hey, it's an easier argument for you to define my beliefs.

              •  I'm asking questions. (2+ / 0-)
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                If your right to keep and bear arms is licensed, why not the right to speak freely or practice religion freely?

                MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

                by KVoimakas on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 10:05:23 AM PDT

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                •  As would any good NRAer (0+ / 0-)

                  I think (big assumption here) we agree that it's a bad idea for certain people to have firearms. No?

                  Usually, these include folks like felons or people who are mentally incapacitated, to name a few.  Licensing and/or registration is an excellent tool to ensure firearms aren't being provided to those I think we agree should not have them.

                  WRT freedom of speech, we also may agree that not all speech is protected.  Examples of unprotected speech include libel, speech endangering public safety, etc.

                  •  And quite obviously, the parallel would be that (1+ / 0-)
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                    not all arms are protected and quite a few are highly restricted.

                    As to your assertion that

                    Licensing and/or registration is an excellent tool to ensure firearms aren't being provided to those I think we agree should not have them.

                    I would disagree. Look at Canada's registered firearms since they implemented national registration. The numbers of firearms when it was implemented is vastly higher than the number currently in Canadian hands.

                    MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

                    by KVoimakas on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 10:45:35 AM PDT

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                    •  Wrong metric (0+ / 0-)

                      you want to assess its impact on public safety.

                      •  Ahh. (0+ / 0-)

                        I completely disagree. Rights are rights. If you have something that says 'shall not be infringed' you abide by it or you change it. You don't do a legislative end run around it.

                        Isn't that what Bush did?

                        MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

                        by KVoimakas on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 11:08:56 AM PDT

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                        •  Of course (0+ / 0-)

                          you disagree.

                          So, you agree that libel and child pornography are just elements of free speech?  Rights are rights?

                          •  Actually no. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Like I said before, there are restrictions on the arms that American citizens can keep and bear. It is not an absolute right. If you read some of my previous RKBA diaries, you'll notice I put forth different proposals for gun control.

                            There are restrictions on what you can say and what you can print.

                            There shouldn't be a license for your rights though.

                            Personally, I'd like to err on the side of liberty.

                            MF and RKBA Member. This bear keeps and bears arms. -9.00, -4.05

                            by KVoimakas on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 11:47:22 AM PDT

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