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  •  About the Oil Drum (6+ / 0-)

    Hang around there for awhile and you will see some people who definitely know what they are talking about. I am impressed with Rockman and shelburn among others. There are probably more engineers hanging out per comment there then here, and their moderating standards are biased towards technical and scientific knowledge. That is good. What is not so good is that there are also oil industry apologists there in higher numbers than here, and political discussions seem to be discouraged and sometimes biased towards those who profit from the oil industry.

    So while it is a good resource, it is not definitive. Be aware of the bias, wherever you go to get information. Keep an open mind, but verify. Just because some person says something there does not make it so.

    Preachy mode off.

    •  I think we also have to understand (3+ / 0-)
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      lightfoot, Onomastic, Icarus Diving

      the severe restrictions on formulating an expert opinion, without data like pressure readings, more information about damage inside the BOP, mud flow, etc. These are bright people (as are we), but not one person caught on that BP had turned off the mud, for 30 hours until we actually heard about it from BP. We're not going to be able to figure anything out from looking at a cracked riser pipe and occasional shots of random equipment. The only thing we can deduce is that the orifice inside the BOP is so big that a) junk won't clog it and b) it's impossible to build up enough counter-pressure to force oil back down the well. Worse, the mud has probably sheared out an even bigger hole inside.

      "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

      by cadejo4 on Fri May 28, 2010 at 02:24:54 PM PDT

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      •  Good points. (2+ / 0-)
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        Friend of the court, cadejo4

        For example, I was trying to fact-check one of my own hasty posts concerning the buoyancy of methane hydrate near the leak, with the possibility of silt and mud particles caught in conglomerated particles and chunks of the stuff. I searched the scientific literature and and came up blank. It seems like a difficult problem indeed, perhaps no one has had any need to solve it yet until now. I got nothing, so I am backing off of any such speculative posts in the future.

        Even BP, with all their information (proprietary or just simply hidden from the public) surely is operating mostly in the dark, in this massive unprecedented disastrous "experiment" on our precious natural resources.

        Fuck them.

      •  maybe they could run a pipe of (2+ / 0-)
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        lightfoot, cadejo4

        fast freeze down to the bottom of the mud and freeze it long enough to choke it.

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