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  •  Legally, they can't lie and have no obligation to (3+ / 0-)
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    In fact, I've seen the idea floated around here that BP's lying could be prosecuted as securities fraud, and I think there's some credibility to that.

    But they can withhold information as much as possible for as long as possible, until forced by the courts or congress to reveal it.

    •  The definition of lying (5+ / 0-)

      gets so narrow that they won't be charged.

      Withholding, obfuscating and all of those other "tactics" that have the same net effect but aren't "illegal" will be used as much as the executives and spokespeople think they can get away with. That's been clear from day one.

      (-8.38, -8.00) Did I make my savings throw?

      by hyperstation on Sun May 30, 2010 at 08:34:43 AM PDT

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      •  Remember that old saw about Satan (1+ / 0-)
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        being the Father of Lies even though he always tells the truth?  He tells a tiny bit of the truth, and leads you to conclusions that are simply not true.
        Sounds a lot like what BP's doing right now.

    •  Yes, laws do conflict with each other. (3+ / 0-)
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      Executives can legally lie - and there are laws with respect to the financial interest of shareholders which compel them to do so - until they are before a court or congress, when they can no longer legally lie.

      If in the 90's all the major CEO's were lying to Congress when they said they did not believe cigarettes were addictive or caused cancer , if they were lying then, it was illegal.

      Tobacco CEO's Statement to Congress 1994 News Clip
      "Nicotine is not addictive."

      [Tobacco company CEOs declare, under oath, that nicotine is not addictive]

      REP. RON WYDEN: Let me begin my questioning on whether or not nicotine is addictive. Let me ask you first, and I'd like to just go down the row, whether each of you believes that nicotine is not addictive. I heard virtually all of you touch on it. Yes or no, do you believe nicotine is not addictive?

      MR. WILLIAM CAMPBELL
      I believe nicotine is not addictive, yes.

      REP. RON WYDEN: Mr. Johnston?

      MR. JAMES JOHNSTON
      Mr. Congressman, cigarettes and nicotine clearly do not meet the classic definition of addiction. There is no intoxication.

      REP. RON WYDEN: We'll take that as a "no." Again, time is short. I think that each of you believe that nicotine is not addictive. We would just like to have this for the record.

      MR. JOSEPH TADDEO
      I don't believe that nicotine or our products are addictive.

      MR. ANDREW TISCH
      I believe that nicotine is not addictive.

      MR. EDWARD HORRIGAN
      I believe that nicotine is not addictive.

      MR. THOMAS SANDEFUR
      I believe that nicotine is not addictive.
      MR. DONALD JOHNSTON
      And I, too, believe that nicotine is not addictive.

      Witnesses:
      William Campbell, President & CEO, Philip Morris, USA
      James W. Johnston, Chairman and CEO, RJR Tobacco Company
      Joseph Taddeo, President, U.S. Tobacco Company
      Andrew H. Tisch, Chairman and CEO, Lorillard Tobacco Compnany
      Edward A. Horrigan, Chairman and CEO, Liggett Group Inc.
      Thomas E. Sandefur, Chairman and CEO, Brown and Williamson Tobacco Corp.
      Donald S. Johnston, President and CEO, American Tobacco Company
      Chaired by: Henry Waxman (D-CA)

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      by worldforallpeopleorg on Sun May 30, 2010 at 08:36:34 AM PDT

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    •  "Legally" - that's a laugh riot. (0+ / 0-)

      Look at the Exxon Valdez spill, the whole story of it and tell me that this company was ever held to account for the damages it did to Prince Edward sound and the people involved.

      "Forced by the courts? Congress?!"

      Lmao.
      Come on, please.
      Spare me this fantasy.

      Best Republican idea:
      Ban ranch dressing. It's the devil's saliva.

      by shpilk on Sun May 30, 2010 at 10:04:25 AM PDT

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