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    Dean's comments about his wanting to be the candidate "for guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks."

    Aside from the fact that this comment was too candid for the average American, I could see where he was coming from. He wants to go after the working class South. Or at least, the subset of the confederate flag wavers who are "white guys" that have grudgingly grown to respect their black (this term used on purpose) co-workers who they have seen first-hand as talented, hard-working, dependable, and family-centric.

    In my business travels from my "elite East Coast snob" abode I have spoken to many to whom Dean's message would be easily understandable. These are the smart Confederate flag wavers. They have been fervently Republican, ever since they identified the Democratic Party as the party of the Neil Young "Southern Man" song. They know that it is a lie that the entire blame for the subjugation of African Americans in this country is merely a southern thing.

    They see themselves as being the true arbiters of what civil rights has done both good and "bad". Yes, it is from a decidedly skewed viewpoint, but  some of their points have validity.  They think of themselves as tolerant and indeed, they have some advantages over knee-jerk PC stances in this area. They can call it like they see it without caring who they offend. And I've read and heard many intellectual African Americans say that this is refreshing honesty compared to Northern PC political correct language.

    The confederate flag symbol is a weighted one and fraught with complexity. Much moreso than the swastika which now has only one meaning.

    Bottom line is ... the guys with "Confederate flags on their pickup trucks" are being screwed by Bush's policies just as much as the blue staters, if not moreso: both economically and in their basic civil rights.

    [Jeeze! This started out as a "Dean could have won at least two or three southern states" rant but I anticipated objections and therefore rambled into wierd subareas.  Damn that Syrah!]

    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Sat Jan 22, 2005 at 09:32:29 PM PST

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    •  Well, ya got me there (none)
      I don't give the confederate flag wavers much thought.

      Seriously though, I also took Dean's confederate flag comment to mean that he would reach out to all people in all states.  Not just the democratic base and not just in blue states. That said, I still don't think, even with Gov. Dean's considerable outreach skills, that he could overcome Rove's hate machine in the south.  They just played the gay menace card too skillfully.  

      If confederate flag wavers really exist as a voting bloc I think the gay haters would probably cancel them out.

      "Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." - H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama

      by Mariposa on Sat Jan 22, 2005 at 10:14:35 PM PST

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      •  That Syrah is really kicking in ... (none)
        about now. So forgive me one last post on this before bed:

        I really think that if Dean addressed the gay rights/ gay marriage issue he would have come at it from a position of fairness: fairness of access to the same protections that legally-married people have ... forget that ... even more basically the "rights" given to heterosexual couples that live together (rambling off the top of my head here as it hits me): the right to visit a partner in a hospital, domestic partner benefits from employers, basic rights of inheritance.

        I'd seen some ugly fights during the height of the AIDS epidemic over the estates of diseased gay men whose families had disowned them upon their coming out and even shunned them years later in the midst of their final suffering. It's amazing how "bereaved" these families became once they found out how much their sons' Manhattan apartments would sell for. They fought their sons' partners tooth-and-nail for the money. Sobbing middle-aged women look so lovely on a witness stand. (This coming from a now middle-aged woman! And one who has been known to sob, albeit not for such heinous purposes.)

        [Dear Bacchus! You make me long-winded!]

        TMALSS (to make a long story short), I think that Dean's message on the subject would have been far less clumsy than the "Mary Cheney" Kerry faux pas. Kerry genuinely seemed embarassed to talk about the subject even though he brought up the VPs "professionally out" daughter. Dean would have addressed this head on and diffused the issue entirely.

        "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

        by Glinda on Sat Jan 22, 2005 at 11:10:38 PM PST

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        •  Ghastly typo! (none)
          It makes me cringe. Sorry!

          Diseased should be deceased.

          [I'm the worst kind of dyslexic -- very closeted about it!]

          "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

          by Glinda on Sat Jan 22, 2005 at 11:49:30 PM PST

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