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  •  Thanks, but I've read enough Irish history (0+ / 0-)

    to be able to share James Joyce's feeling that history is a nightmare from which I am trying to awaken.

    My point, with which you disagree, was that a sense of national identity in both cases was cobbled together by two elements: reviving an ancient language and identifying national identity with one religion. Of course, Hebrew was a practical necessity since Jews spoke so many languages, and Gaelic became little more than a burden on generations of Irish schoolchildren who, after all, already spoke a common language. (See Frank McCourt for sampling of that language)

    Although Israel and Ireland both began with leadership and support from the non-religious, both soon degenerated into states in which one's religion was the badge of citizenship. In Israel, for example, even atheist Jews have the right of return - unless they convert to another faith. In Ireland, the requirement was unspoken but becoming a Protestant was equivalent to renouncing one's own Irishness.

    Government is the conspiracy of the Few against the Many. - Francois Babeuf

    by Valatius on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 01:05:27 PM PDT

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    •  You are trying to force a square peg in a round (1+ / 0-)
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      hole.  You are trying to cobble together some comparisons to fit your argument, but the "facts" you cite are simply inaccurate.  The Irish rebellion had nothing to do with reviving an ancient language.  Where are you getting this from?  And while you're at it, where's the support for the claim that Ireland degenerated into a state in which religion is the badge of citizenship?  Are you claiming that the church did not have an influence over the citizenry before the Irish state?  Or that somehow the church grasped power over the free state?  These are ludicrous claims.

      Finally, you will apparently be surprised to learn that there were protestants in Ireland who supported the free state and fought for the free state.  Ireland has never equated protestantism with renouncing Irishness.  Again, can you provide any support for this claim?  

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