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    Ahianne, llbear, gchaucer2, earicicle

    Those who fight are human beings, too. And honoring their service is not "promoting war." So I think you are wrong, wrong wrong about the purpose and intent of IGTNT.

    But war poet and pacifist (and, under your definition, victim) Wilfred Owen said it far better than I can. Emphasis mine:

    AT A CALVARY NEAR THE ANCRE
    by Wilfred Owen

    One ever hangs where shelled roads part.
    In this war He too lost a limb,
    But His disciples hide apart;
    And now the Soldiers bear with Him.

    Near Golgotha strolls many a priest,
    And in their faces there is pride
    That they were flesh-marked by the Beast
    By whom the gentle Christ's denied.

    The scribes on all the people shove
    And bawl allegiance to the state,
    But they who love the greater love
    Lay down their life; they do not hate.

    "We have to remember that Timothy McVeigh was a tea-partier before his time." -- Kossack ccyd

    by Sharoney on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:17:52 PM PDT

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    •  I totally disagree with you... (2+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, mojada

      and most of those in our military probably do not hate, all of the US aggression in the world, all of the hundreds of bases in 160 countries, are based on revenge, racism and hatred.

      The US military is not "lying down their lives" they are killing people and breaking their shit.  They are good at it, and that is their jobs and we need to have a military. And this is very clear when you look at the ratio of dead US military to dead foreign civilians.  The ratio is probably 200 to 1, at least.  No one knows for sure because we are too evil and psychopathic TO EVEN COUNT THE DEAD.

      This would be acceptable if - at this time, not WW2 time - the people they were killing were our "enemies" but they are not.

      War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

      by dancewater on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:27:26 PM PDT

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      •  You paint with a mighty broad brush, dancewater. (6+ / 0-)

        I say again, the goal of IGTNT is to remind us that the war dead are human beings, too, individuals with hopes and dreams and families who grieve for them. And honoring their service is not "promoting war."

        But if you truly believe they act based out of revenge, racism and hatred, then perhaps it's a good thing you don't read that series.

        "We have to remember that Timothy McVeigh was a tea-partier before his time." -- Kossack ccyd

        by Sharoney on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:54:49 PM PDT

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        •  it is US policy that is based (2+ / 0-)
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          on revenge, racism and hatred.... and our military is carrying out that policy, even if they personally disagree.  

          Here's a Daily Kos diary that spells it out.

          War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

          by dancewater on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 07:26:22 PM PDT

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          •  I read that diary (4+ / 0-)

            and the money quote is

            This isn’t to doubt their courage and sacrifices.  I respect and admire the selflessness of soldiers I know from six wars:  WWII, Korea, Vietnam, First Gulf War, 2003 Invasion of Iraq, and Afghanistan: the longest “war” in our history.

            The IGTNT diaries are to honor those servicepeople's courage and sacrifices.

            I see no contradiction with that diary.

            You are the one conflating the IGTNT series with endorsing "revenge, racism and hatred." But that series is more in the spirit of this comment in the diary you cited.

            And that's how I'm going to leave it.

            "We have to remember that Timothy McVeigh was a tea-partier before his time." -- Kossack ccyd

            by Sharoney on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 09:19:52 PM PDT

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            •  you are misinterpreting what I said (0+ / 0-)

              and that is that I believe that IGTNT diaries help to glorify and memorialize the war and the warriors.

              You might have noticed that they are not writing about the NON COMBATANTS but only about those who pick up a weapon and volunteer to fight their fellow humans.  And in light of the fact that the ratio of NON-COMBATANTS KILLED to combats is about 200 to 1, this is definite bias. (For that matter, they don't cover the combatants on the other side either.  And if those combatants are fighting to rid their homeland of foreign invaders, then they are clearly more brave and making more of a sacrifice then the combatants on our side, since they are facing overwhelming force with little protection.)

              And it happens to be that they are writing about people who are fighting in wars of aggression stared by the US government.

              What the IGTNT diaries are doing is the same as honoring the American troops who fought against the Native People of this land, while ignoring the cost to the innocent bystanders and the combatants on the other side. And, in the process, they accomplish the same goals as the history taught us in schools - they glorify war and war making.

              War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

              by dancewater on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:38:45 AM PDT

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            •  here's the best quote from that diary: (0+ / 0-)

              Our soldiers are killing and dying for greed wrapped in the American flag. The only "freedom" being served is the freedom for our well-connected corporations to loot at will while our young men and women cover their backs.  Memorializing the corporate greed for which most of our soldiers have fought and died is simply, and continually, pornographic.

              War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

              by dancewater on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:40:33 AM PDT

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