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  •  Unions are still the most powerful organized (32+ / 0-)

    group there is to provide any opposition to what the so called party of the working people is or isn't doing.  It was the point of the Blanche Lincoln primary, and I fully support the strategy.  Who do you think has more power than them?  What would you suggest?  Netroots?  They joined in with the unions and are supporting primaries.  

    People can fool themselves into thinking that the Democratic party still represents ordinary people, but we all know its a lie.  Until we can face reality and act accordingly, we can't even begin to reclaim the power that's needed to fix this country.

    They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich

    by dkmich on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 01:17:41 PM PDT

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    •  I Think You are Right (23+ / 0-)

      Labor is America's only hope. And the Plutocrats know that.

      The unions will either be completely crushed in the next few years -- or they will rise up and remake the government into a government for the people not the Plutocrats.

      It's always been that way, throughout the history of civiliations. It's the universal struggle.

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      The Pluto Chronicles. You want reality? You can't handle reality!

      by Pluto on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 01:41:40 PM PDT

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        The unions will either be completely crushed in the next few years -- or they will rise up and remake the government into a government for the people not the Plutocrats.

        I find it fascinating that you post the hockey stick population graph and then make comments like this.

        What do you think the unions are going to be able to do in the face of 6 billion non-Americans that want to live at American standards of living? Let's say the unions get really powerful again. They'll still be completely unable to compete with foreign workers and their standards of living will still be utterly crushed when our deficit spending is forced to stop and/or the ecological and population destruction looming over our heads gets into high gear.

        So again, what end will the unions be able to accomplish?

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 02:09:18 PM PDT

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        •  I Did Not Hint (13+ / 0-)

          ...which outcome is most likely.

          Regarding the hockey stick formation -- that is a global measurement of a global issue, US population is a different metric, and population itself is not the overriding challenge in this resource-rich nation.

          The crossroads is whether the US will flip into a colony (for the Plutocrats) or a cooperative (for the people).

          The time is now. The crisis is at hand.

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          The Pluto Chronicles. You want reality? You can't handle reality!

          by Pluto on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 02:18:38 PM PDT

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            Regarding the hockey stick formation -- that is a global measurement of a global issue, US population is a different metric, and population itself is not the overriding challenge in this resource-rich nation.

            We import more than half of our oil at this point, so over half of our current oil consumption is going to have to go away. We import cheap consumer goods at a trade deficit from China (which feeds into our "cheap"-ish health insurance costs), a lot of which is going to have to go away.

            The US's standard of living is supported by the labor and resources of people abroad (or else we wouldn't be running massive trade and government deficits). This situation is as true for the poor and middle class as it is for the rich.

            Like I said, people here (including apparently you) think that there is some optimal tax regime on the rich that will magically solve our problems. You think that if we set things up as a "cooperative" it will solve our problems and we will be able to maintain American standards of living. Such an outcome is highly unlikely. Far more likely all Americans, rich and poor, must take massive standard of living hits.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 02:25:23 PM PDT

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    •  Which is why EFCA is doomed (10+ / 0-)

      Both party establishments view unions as a threat to the ongoing looting of the nation.  (In the case of Democrats, the unions have become useful idiots.) Nothing scares them more than the spread of a labor movement, or, dare we say it, a class consciousness among the wrong class of people...

      And the way things are going anyone who resists even passively will feel the full weight of the privatized state upon them.  They will be portrayed as freakish hippies and punks by the msm and faced with "conspiracy" charges... or worse.

      We have seen this building since the Raygun years. Well, we'll soon be boiled little froggies

      www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

      by chuckvw on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 02:42:01 PM PDT

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