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  •  Did you get a raise this year? (0+ / 0-)

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

    by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:42:21 AM PDT

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    •  nope - did you? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

      by moose67 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:47:46 AM PDT

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      •  no. (0+ / 0-)

        and I don't begrudge people getting raises.. but it's the appearance that rankles a lot of voters.

        They see a protected class of workers.. public workers.. backed by strong unions.. who are not only not willingly taking cuts/furloughs/freezes, but who have the chutzpah to demand raises in some cases!

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:20:36 AM PDT

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        •  Actually my daughter works for our state (1+ / 0-)
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          government and they DID accept furloughs to help prevent job losses for their co-workers and they DID take a pay-freeze and they ARE union workers protecting their own and also trying not to be hard-nosed to an already struggling state economy.  Stop the union bashing....I firmly believe unions have built the middle class in this country and the loss of unions means the loss of the middle class.  That will make a huge economic divide between the rich and the poor.  I don't want to see that - do you?

          "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

          by moose67 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:37:07 AM PDT

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    •  Supply siding nonsense (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously.  Raises?  In the past three states I've lived, public sector rarely gets them and when they do they are small cost of living adjustments.  The states and cities are cutting services and cutting employment heavily.  They do this during recessions.

      You seem to have some sort of FUBAR conservative idea of how economics work and what to do to avoid depressions.  The economy needs public spending and employment to dampen the bust portion of the cycle.  If folks like you get your way and we cut enough public sector jobs we can begin the national death spiral you seem to crave.  We will already see a big hit over the next few months because states and cities have to lay off teachers and halt maintenance/construction work.  But they will keep the police and fire--security is great, but it doesn't produce anything.

      The private sector is not growing jobs and private employers have done a great job of wrecking the economy and offshoring.  If businesses continue as they have for the past decade, there won't be much private sector work left in the U.S.  Afterall, there is no such thing as a stable U.S. employer anymore. Business is its own worst enemy.

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