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  •  Bullshit. OFfensive bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

    Today, we throw so much money at the military that it starts looking for wars to fight.

    Therefore, Vietnam, Iraq, etc.

    We had fewer dead in WWII than Europeans because (1) The war wasn't fought in the US (except tiny Hawaii), (2) We didn't enter the war until very late.

    The military performed abominably in Iraq -- the troops did great, but the higher-ups had no idea what they were trying to do.  "Conquered"?  Ha.  We never got operational control.

    The US military hasn't been actually needed since WWII.

    So when you cheer wasteful military spending, remember that that spending is the REASON flag draped coffins are being lowered into the ground THIS YEAR.  Not some theoretical future war when the US is invaded by Mexico.  REAL war, REAL death, NOW, CAUSED by military spending.

    -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

    by neroden on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 10:06:01 AM PDT

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    •  And for further evidence (0+ / 0-)

      The fact is that the US decided to throw unprotected cannon fodder at the Normandy landing, while the British used complex technology to try to protect the troops during the landing.  So the US really did not deploy its technology to "reduce casualty rates" during WWII.

      You just don't know what the hell you're talking about.

      -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

      by neroden on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 10:09:49 AM PDT

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      •  Re: And further evidence (0+ / 0-)

        So, you're supporting the British approach of using expensive high tech solutions to reduce casualty rates?

        Wouldn't that be a point in support of my position that the proposed military cuts are shortsighted?

    •  Re: Bullshit. Offensive Bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

      I've got no problem with you taking issue, but "offensive".  For voicing an opposing opinion?  I believe that's what is called "intolerance".

      Not sure how my bullshit is offensive - unless you can't stand to face down a decent argument with facts and ideas.

      You are absolutely correct that a large portion of the higher casualties suffered by the USSR was because the war was fought on Euro soil.  But, the US DID suffer relatively low casualty rates because of our use of high-tech and "overkill" tactics.  

      As for the last time we needed military intervention was WWII - I'm not sure the people who aren't starving under a Stalinist dictatorship in South Korea would agree.  As for the millions who died in Cambodia you can only find out their opinions with a Ouija board.

      As for military spending being the cause of war I just don't see it.  That's like saying crime is caused by funding the police.  If anything, we've gotten into more trouble when military spendng was low -- in 1936 the US army was smaller than Czech military - if it had been a properly sized and outfitted force maybe we wouldn't have had to enter WWII five years later.  In the 1970's President Carter cut spending and programs and it emboldened the USSR into invading Afghanistan and crushing Poland.

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