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  •  I know I've said this before (4.00)
    but the sheer hypocrisy of these people makes me want to throw things! The ONLY way to cut down on abortions (if that is your actual stated goal) is to ensure EVERYONE has access to birth control. Hell, it should be free to anyone who requests them.  Of course, the real goal is not to "save the babies" but to regulate women's sexual conduct.

    Everyone should read War on Choice-it warned against these very types of measures. Thanks for updating us.

    There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated...insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason.-NoFx

    by SairaLV on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 08:29:49 PM PST

    •  No, No! No!! NO!!!!!!!!! (none)
      It's not to regulate women's sexual conduct. It's to regulate poor and working class women's sexual conduct. The wealthy will still take a trip to the continent, should they ever succeed in outlawing abortion here. This is about raising the bar for abortion, nothing more.

      It's a damned shame. It's not a War on Choice. It's class warfare, pure and simple.

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 10:53:28 PM PST

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      •  Bifurcation (none)
        It's very important to understand the difference between the James Dobson and the Bill Buckley branches of the Republican Party.  I can assure you the former (which are largely the footsoldiers of the party) emphatically want to give Constitutional rights to fertilized eggs.  [Remember that it costs a lot of money to have in vitro fertilization.  Most of them would not be bothered if it shut down fertility clinics.]

        The latter, though, are the ones who see it like the parent -- we can just go to France or Denmark for abortions.  The rude awakening will be when Congress makes it illegal to travel across state lines for an abortion.  When Griswold is gone, you'll be repulsed at what will be required at the airport....

        •  It's Understood (none)
          Granted, the footsoldiers are true believers. Nonetheless, access to abortion will still be available to the well-heeled. (not that it's a good thing) No matter what law passes, the ability to regulate ends at the border.

          vote early - vote often

          by wystler on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:52:50 AM PST

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          •  Interesting question (none)
            That is a point; the Bourse Right (we'd call them Wall Street, but...) would emigrate en masse, women first, to Europe?  They'd be arrested if they tried to return, so they could ask for amnesty from the US.  Turn the country over to the Dobsoners but pull all the money out first -- that does sound like a Corporatist solution.
            •  They Wouldn't Be Arrested (none)
              Waddya mean, equal justice?? Haven't you paid enough attention to cocaine prosecutions over the last quarter-century? The wealthy would go to morals school at worst, while the other class of women either choose abstinence, barefoot pregnancy, or back-alley abortion & prison ...

              vote early - vote often

              by wystler on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:17:11 AM PST

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    •  Wow, wow. They are overreaching! (none)
      They must be stupid. If they overreach like this, people will suddenly get wise to them. They will undo their own dominance like this.

      (I'm talking about the Republican party, of course.)

      •  Are you being sarcastic? (none)
        Do you really think "people will suddenly get wise to them" over this?  I only wish that were true.  They've gotten away with as much, and more, without people getting wise.  
        •  Not being sarcastic (none)
          I may have expressed myself too hastily by saying people would "suddenly" get wise to the intents of the GOP.

          But if, beyond abortion, they restrict birth contol too, then they will at some point light a firestorm or uprising by moderate, reasonable people (some of who have voted Republican, and will regret it).

          I'm saying if they overreach enough, they will be exposed. Can't hide, can't deceive as easily once they cross some lines.

    •  And to think... (none)
      Last night I wrote this in another thread:
      Of course, the wingnuts could retreat to their only fallback position: banning any mention of how babies are made.

      I thought I was joking! Yikes...

      Stewart/Olberman 2004!

      by mugsimo on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:22:11 AM PST

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