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  •  Have you read (2+ / 0-)
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    Derrick Jensen's books

    Endgame, Vol I and Vol II

    You can find the premises at the link below.

    Here are Premises 1, 2, and 14.  Enjoy

    Premise One: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization.

    Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources—gold, oil, and so on—can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.

    Premise Fourteen: From birth on—and probably from conception, but I’m not sure how I’d make the case—we are individually and collectively enculturated to hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves. If we did not hate the world, we could not allow it to be destroyed before our eyes. If we did not hate ourselves, we could not allow our homes—and our bodies—to be poisoned.

    http://www.endgamethebook.org/...

    •  thank you. Do you feel that if (3+ / 0-)
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      if our culture encourages us to

      hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves.

      we can change that?

      My thinking is that we can become whoever we decide to - designer evolution  ;-) - that we have the potential to make this world better - marvelous even - if we can reach each other and work it out.

      wherin we share a community blog for common goals for humanity. http://www.worldforallpeople.org

      by worldforallpeopleorg on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 12:29:07 PM PDT

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      •  Yes. However, one of the premises (1+ / 0-)
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        that works against our collective success in detoxifying earth et al is the destruction of the cohesive community that shares it's land base in order to survive, which has resulted in the destruction of the land base itself.  Or sea base, in the case of the Gulf communities.

        Freedom/individuality is a cloak that, with technology, has made the individual more isolated and detached from the communal chore of producing sustenance.  We've been cut from the herd so to speak.

        We now are dependent on being hired by someone or to be the employer selling something, in order to buy whatever we find/need in stores.  If the stores become empty, we will struggle to survive.

        It is why dKos evolved.  We seek community. We seek to be relevant, to make a difference.

        We do have a very wide band of potential.  Each of us falls somewhere on it.

        However, and I am just as guilty of enjoying my own company/solitude more than being part of a group, until we can form real life communities capable of creating the change we need from the ground up, we are defeated.  We will be chemically assaulted, sickened, and killed.

        We will create the "one last stressor" that comes really close to removing the human species from this planet, but not until we collectively destroy much of the ecosystem of this,

        Our Mother Earth

        And, just in case we do get it together en masse, which I doubt we can, those with entrenched power (multi-nationals, armies, mercenary armies, police, "The Man") will fight back with a vengence, which is why I doubt we will ever dare to rise up like the people in the movie V.

        We are afraid.  When will the fear of our babies/children dying needlessly over ride our fear of suffering, being tortured, imprisoned, and/or dying?

        I think we have the power of the purse, but we seem clueless on organizing it on a large enough scale (requiring personal sacrifice) to be effective.  Like all refusing to pay health insurance premiums which always gets the response "that's not possible".  I have.  

        I don't advocate any form of violence.  However there are other options.

        All refusing to work until we get what we want, for instance.

        Using the power of the purse to affect a change of direction can not justify a violent response.  Star small, expand gradually, and remove some of the worst environmental offenders by refusing to buy/use their products.

        Of course, simultaneously, we would need to organize local communities in order to provide sustenance for the community if/when they collectively turn away from commerce.  And we land on the stranglehold reason why we are doomed:  We cringe at the thought of sharing what we have with someone who "hasn't worked as hard", "is a slacker", and on and on and on.

        We isolate ourselves in order to hold onto what we have.

        Therefore, we are doomed and so are our children, if they survive birth.

        What do you think about our chances of joining forces to affect change?

        •  Great trailer and great (2+ / 0-)
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          movie. I had forgotten how good that was.

          To answer your question, I know that we have succeeded in smallish circles in certain areas over the years. I know that we now need something unprecedented  - in the immediate future.

          Our chances?

          Hmmm ... well I did a video last year that said first - Imagine 300 years from now...

          (  http://www.youtube.com/...  )

          I think that if you can imagine that far ahead, there is no reason to think we might not be doing much much better.

          Our chances of getting enough people together soon and slowing the insanity that eats at our world today are quite in question. I think we should all try, in every way we can, and in some surprising way or a million little ones, it might happen.

          wherin we share a community blog for common goals for humanity. http://www.worldforallpeople.org

          by worldforallpeopleorg on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 01:22:11 PM PDT

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          •  Beautiful video/music (1+ / 0-)
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            Heart warming, even tear dropping.

            Somehow I, like you, missed ingesting the chemical that makes it possible to see want and not care.

            I had a thought while watching/listening.  Forgive this if it is hubris, K?

            How about another video/song

            All People For the World

            subtitled:  Before we all destroy it and ourselves.

            I can visualize people around the world with the yellow ginger bread man-like figures in their windows, on their bumper stickers, on their lapels (congress people?  a few), in their hair,

            Yellow Gingerbread Boys and Girls Everywhere.

            Personally, I'd like the soda pop companies to be the first target.  A world wide boycott of all soda pop.  

            People can stand near the grocery stores with the Yellow Gingerbread Boy/Girl cutouts that say:

            Save the Planet
            Step One
            Boycott Soda Pop
            Boycott Aspertame, too!  Check the label.

            My apology for those who work for them.  Help us organize so we can provide for you and your families somehow.  Make the soda pop factories convert to green energy technologies that don't rob and destroy local water sources.

            Well, just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

            We can do this, but we have HAVE to be in it for the very long haul, as in the rest of our lives.

            •  Oh, did you produce this? (0+ / 0-)

              Sorry, I meant to ask that first.

              Hey, I have to run and take care of some business.  I will look for you next Friday, K?

              Maybe we can chat somehow.

              •  me too off to help a friend move... and yes, (1+ / 0-)
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                I wrote the song and made the video - I don't know if I have another one like that exactly in me - but one is bubbling up that i like  - and in a way it is a little more the tone that you were suggesting.

                You are right - you are not alone. People care and don't know what to do ... keep on trying. :-)

                wherin we share a community blog for common goals for humanity. http://www.worldforallpeople.org

                by worldforallpeopleorg on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 01:51:33 PM PDT

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        •  Nail hit. We have the power if we are willing to (0+ / 0-)

          risk the shoddy goods we have and d o without for a while. Corporations have power because we give it to them. We give them polluting rights, rip off and damage our planet rights, and damage our children  rights by BUYING thier product... They are ghosts that evaporate when they no longer produce MONEY for the investors... They have left us huge clean up costs and have suckled on the teat of the taxpayers while ranting about the little people who get far less help from those same tax payers. They pay less percentage taxes on income and earnings then those who make minimum wage.

          I think we have the power of the purse, but we seem clueless on organizing it on a large enough scale (requiring personal sacrifice) to be effective.  Like all refusing to pay health insurance premiums which always gets the response "that's not possible".  I have

          .  

          Fear is the Mind Killer

          by boophus on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:28:29 PM PDT

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