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  •  Weird. (7+ / 0-)

    That's the paradox of a successful prevention program: you have no evidence of success outside of "disaster didn't happen."  If (relatively) few people died of H1N1 after a vigorous program of vaccination... I dunno, but that sounds like success rather than fraud to me.  After all, it's not the like the early numbers gave us any cause for optimism, and if the rest of the country was taking preventative methods as seriously as my neck of the woods, then I consider that a good thing.

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    by pico on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:16:10 AM PDT

    •  well here in germany (1+ / 0-)
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      beside foto ops with politicans allmost NOBODY got the vaccine not because our government didnt bought it, because the people heard that even the medical stuff (first responder in emergency case)
      refused to get the vaccine. and allthough it sounds like a CT.the dutch attorney general is looking into the alegation that big pharma may have placed one or two guys inside the WHO to boost their business. not every thing that sounds like a james bond plot has to be a CT.

      •  Heh, I don't doubt the pharm companies were (3+ / 0-)

        lapping it up, and strategically positioning themselves to take advantage of the situation - it's business for them, deaths or not.  

        But remember that for every Germany you also have a Ukraine, and the situation there got pretty dire.

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        by pico on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:29:39 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, the flu in (1+ / 0-)
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          Ukraine was indeed dire - and deadly. Deal is, it was a mutant of the already mutant H1N1 (which had elements from various strains of flu from various corners of the globe).

          The vaccines developed against the original virus were useless against the Ukrainian mutant. Bugged the heck out of me whenever some talking head came on to urge people to get the vaccine that came too late, even if they'd already had the flu. Because, they said, it would protect against a "more dangerous version" that had mutated enough for you to be reinfected. That was complete bullshit and I never understood how that sort of thing was allowed. Blatant misinformation, all designed to sell the stocks of vaccine sitting on shelves because the flu it protected against didn't turn out to be that bad (or people had already had it and recovered before the shipments went out).

          Hope they learned how to coordinate an effective response for when we really are faced with a devastating pandemic.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:06:23 AM PDT

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          •  I believe our discussion is about (1+ / 0-)
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            preventative measures, right?  You're right: once it hit Ukraine, yes, there was no point in taking preventative measures that were now obsolete both because the virus had mutated and because it was already widespread in the population, but I think it's a good example of why the global preventative measures were important in the first place: contain the spread so it doesn't propagate, mutate, and get out of control.  If anything, Ukraine's a good example of why these measures are important.

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            by pico on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:18:37 AM PDT

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            •  I'm sure the exercise (0+ / 0-)

              proved most valuable to all concerned national and international agencies as well as to the pharmaceutical industry that crafts flu vaccines every season. That's good, because one of these days we're going to have real trouble.

              My objection was to the blatant misinformation that was more about selling a useless vaccine than actually saving anybody's life. The H1N1 vaccine would NOT be effective against a mutated, re-infective strain. Basic stuff there, I was appalled that the misinformation was spread by actual authoritative figures.

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:27:28 AM PDT

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    •  as i recall lots of folks (3+ / 0-)
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      did a hell of a lot more hand-washing.  and i cannot argue with that!  

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      by sedrunsic on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:26:34 AM PDT

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    •  And had that actually (0+ / 0-)

      been the scenario, it would be quite easy to make the case that the response prevented the horror. But that's not what happened, and an awful lot of people were frightened enough to be paying very close attention. They were frightened of the dire warnings and had every intention of getting vaccinated (thank God for government and Novartis!). But the vaccines weren't delivered in time to be of any use when the sickness hit. So those very interested and frightened people found out the hard way that the flu wasn't as bad as it could have been, and the response didn't occur in time to have mitigated a worse case scenario.

      The worldwide mobilization didn't prevent very many people from getting H1N1, frequent hand-washing (what people could do for themselves) probably did more. We dodged the bullet on that particular strain, were 'lucky'. It's good to laud the effort and the exercise so next time maybe a horror might be mitigated, but H1N1 isn't a good example of such mitigation.

      Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

      by Joieau on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:41:26 AM PDT

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