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  •  How many times has he told the American people (6+ / 0-)

    A serious question: how many times has Obama told the American people that? And how many times has he urged them to call their congressfolks to demand an end to secret holds? Maybe he did that already and I missed it.

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    by tmo on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 07:18:13 PM PDT

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    •  He has told people to call their Congresscritters (13+ / 0-)

      in support of some legislation, isn't that essentially the same thing?

      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit

      by Muzikal203 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 07:19:57 PM PDT

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    •  Do you need your parents to also tell you (10+ / 0-)

      to clean your room? To take out the trash? Do your homework?

      •  That's a facile response (8+ / 0-)

        to an important question.

        Why ISN'T Obama using the most visible speaking platform in the world to educate the voters as to WHY better legislation isn't being passed?

        True, in recent months he's been taking the Republicans to task for BLOCKING legislation, but he is continually remiss in not explaining why the legislation that DOES pass falls so short of real reform.

        The general public is woefully ill informed about the arcane procedures in the Senate that dictate that all legislation has to pass muster with the minority party.

        He chooses instead to pretend that ANYTHING that passes is real progress.

        I believe the documented enthusiasm gap would shrink dramatically if the base perceived the President to be fighting for the party platform. Even if less legislation got passed, they'd know the solution is to elect more Democrats.

        All most people know is the Democrats are in charge, and the much touted "change" remains as illusive as ever.


        by WisePiper on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 08:06:36 PM PDT

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        •  Wow - I guess you never go on TV then (7+ / 0-)

          because he has done more interviews, speeches, Town Halls than any other President?

          Why to sell the Health Care and to talk about the importance of the Stimulus when the Republicans were all shouting against it.

          So please spare me with your patronizing comment about my comment being facile.

          Because quite frankly, this mythology of the bully pulpit in my mind has been built up.

          What about the traditional notion of Obama's persuasive power? Edwards believes that "presidential power is not the power to persuade." There is no evidence that presidents, through the force of the bully pulpit, change the deep structure of American politics. We expect presidents to be "transformational leaders," Edwards says, but what we really want is for them to rise to the occasion. If we grant Obama's rhetorical skills transformational power, we are missing where his real power lies.

          Edwards seem to believe that presidential persuasive power is limited to elite opinion, and in highly polarized times, helps to define what the opposition is going to respond to rather than changing the public's mind on anything of substance.  If Edwards is right, Obama's efforts to re-sell the public on the worth of the stimulus package and health care are for naught. Over time, people will retroactively assess those policies in the context of whether or not they seem to be working.

          But you don't address the ridiculous and silly comment left by the person I was responding to.

          Why does he need to be told to be engaged and to be involved? Isn't that an automatic assumption??

          Does he really need the President to be like Oliver Twist - cap in hand - asking for more (help)?

        •  One thing we have not had (0+ / 0-)

          is a shortage of Presidential speeches. Nothing seems to come of them though.

          "Too big to fail" is not too big to jail.

          by Angela Quattrano on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 08:54:39 PM PDT

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        •  The Media Tilts huge right (0+ / 0-)

          in case you handn't noticed.

          He wants us to be a part of the change.

    •  Last Weeks Radio Address (5+ / 0-)

      When he talked about the unemployment extension legislation and the people he has still waiting to get confirmed.

      Hey Frank Luntz - What Should I Say To Make Myself Sound Like A Brainless Parrot?

      by hopalong on Sat Jun 26, 2010 at 04:05:37 AM PDT

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