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  •  No wonder he looked so depressed on the Daily Show (3.92)
    ...last night.  He seems to have a clearer picture than anyone alive of what is happening, and he's trying to warn us all.  But his voice gets drowned out.

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

    by Emerson on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:11:13 PM PST

    •  saw that (4.00)
      you could see Hersh was beside himself about the state of everything.  Jon Stewart even remarked "man, I just can't cheer you up".

      FWIW, a cult is the best comparison I can think of for what is going on in the Bush-loving half of the USA.  Complete suspension of critical thought to participate in the righteous ambitions of a messianic figure.

    •  Did you see the part (4.00)
      where Hersh was describing who, exactly, is sources were?

      He said some non-koolaide drinkers, who actually disagree with the admin, kept their dissention under wraps and survived the Porter Goss Purge. Sounds like they frantically sought out someone to leak to on this latest Iran production, scheduled for summer 2005 in a theatre near you!

      •  question (4.00)
        Did he actually use the word "kool aid drinkers"? Or is that just paraphrasing?
        •  Kool-aid drinkers (4.00)
          He specifically used the phrase "kool-aid drinkers". I was a little taken-aback myself but it just goes to show how deadly serious he is about this.

          If you've got cable and missed last night's show with Hersh, it's on again tonight on the Comedy Channel at 7pm Pacific, then again at 11:30pm Pacific, after the new show.

          A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

          by tmo on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:11:01 PM PST

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          •  The Comedy Channel (4.00)
            It just seems so incongruous after the rest of the discussion (war, torture, the collapse of civilization as we know it).

            You can probably find the interview at the Daily Show site as well. But last night's episode is well worth watching in its entirety, as there's lots more on the war with Iran.

            •  Kid Movies (4.00)
              I'll one up you. I was having a discussion today and mentioned that Bush's foreign policy can be derived from Gaston's speech in Disney's Beauty and the Beast. "You are either for us or against us!", "He will kill your families if you don't act!".

              So after realizing the State Department is not involved in long-term foreign policy, and realizing a few simpletons who watch kids movie run the show using the logic of a 5-year old, we kind of were in a state of panic.

              So having Comedy Central critique our government makes sense. After all, they at least are at the level of a teenager.

              Which begs the question of where the supposed giants of the media, WSJ, NYT, WP, CNN, FOX, etc. and how they all fit into this. Since the 5-year olds run the show, and the teenagers are the only one that seem to realize that this is bad (but no one listens to teenagers), at what level are the supposed giants of the fourth estate? (Hint: infantile, or in Safire's case...senile.)

              But more importantly, where are the adults?

          •  Where did the "Kool aid" thing come... (none)
            from?

            I've seen Hersh use that phrase but most Americans wouldn't know what the hell he means by it.

            •  Jonestown (none)
              Jimmy Jones had his followers en mass drink kool-aid (well, actually a cheap kool-aid knockoff brand) laced with cyanide when it looked like his cult was going to be shut down. Most of the followers were so brainwashed by the cult that they drank up willingly, even after watching the ones who had drank before them die. There's more here.

              "Kool-aid drinkers", as such, has become slang for people so completely absorbed in/by whatever movement they're in that they're willing to do staggeringly stupid things for it without a second thought.

              Nobody lends money to a man with a sense of humor -- Peter Tork, "Head"

              by Field Marshall Stack on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:12:59 AM PST

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            •  Jim Jones... (none)
              The Kool-Aid reference can be found in this entry.
            •  Most Americans wouldn't understand kool-aid? (none)
              Most Americans wouldn't understand the kool-aid reference? Are you serious? Good lord, it seems like I hear that expression nearly every day. I certainly heard a lot of it during Dean's campaign in the primaries, and this lot of bozos in office certainly brings out the references. Maybe it's more a California thing, since the whole Jim Jones cult came from San Francisco.

              A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

              by tmo on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 12:19:12 PM PST

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    •  I saw Hersh ... (4.00)
      on a talk show, sorry can't remember which one, before the election and the host asked him what if Bush was reelected.  Hersh got a stricken look on his face and wouldn't even entertain such a horrendous thought.  He just kept muttering we can't let that happen, it's just too awful to talk about, I don't know what would become of us or the world.  He simply would not even contemplate such a thing.  No wonder he's depressed, what he is telling is probably just the tip of the iceberg.  

      "Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings." Chris Kramare & Paula Treichler

      by caliberal on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:40:32 PM PST

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    •  you know who else seems to get it? (none)
      Walter Cronkite and Al Gore...

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      by Tom Kertes on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 05:01:32 PM PST

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      •  and Bill Moyers (none)
        really powerful stuff here where you can find
        ...Now the leading right-wing political strategist, Grover Norquist, says the goal is to "starve the beast"--with trillions of dollars in deficits resulting from trillions of dollars in tax cuts, until the U.S. government is so anemic and anorexic it can be drowned in the bathtub.

        Take note: The corporate conservatives and their allies in the political and Religious Right are achieving a vast transformation of American life that only they understand because they are its advocates, its architects, and its beneficiaries. In creating the greatest economic inequality in the advanced world, they have saddled our nation, our states, and our cities and counties with structural deficits that will last until our children's children are ready for retirement; and they are systematically stripping government of all its functions except rewarding the rich and waging war.

        But read the whole, thing; it is ALL that compelling.
        And still more great Moyers stuff here.

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