Skip to main content

View Diary: [Neocons] Seymour Hersh: "We've Been Taken Over by a Cult" (435 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  What if they... (4.00)
    ...decided not to go to war and arrested the President on charges of treason and brought him before a military tribunal? Or turned him over to the world court? That would be something to see. Emergency elections in the U.S. since the President, Vice president, Sec. of Defence, AG, etc have been turned over to the Haig. I say that because I'm not sur if normal lines of succession would work under those conditions, due to widespread corruption within the U.S. Government.

    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

    by Alumbrados on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:47:47 PM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  That'd be nice, too. (4.00)
      But it would be a coup.

      It's a little bit of a hippy-dippy thought, but I'd be happy just to see them pack up and come home, and say, "Who are you going to send to stop us?"

    •  I'd love (none)
      to see a coup like you suggest.
      •  I'm not sure you realize what you're suggesting (4.00)
        As much as I hate Bush, I think a coup in the US would tear the fabric of our society past any possible redemption. It's like the war in Iraq, sounds simple and easy, but once you got into it, it would bring about total chaos and destruction.
        •  There's already been one (4.00)
          I'm not sure you realize what you're suggesting.
          As much as I hate Bush, I think a coup in the US would tear the fabric of our society past any possible redemption.

          That's the point Hersh is making. It's been clear to a lot of us all along. A small group has seized control and the majority of the population don't agree with their policies or don't even understand them.

          •  Not a violent coup (3.71)
            If a portion of our military executed a coup, or if law enforcement snatched the top members of this administration our country would erupt in violent conflict.

            I don't know if you've ever spent time in a conflict, under martial law, or in the middle of a civil war, but I do not and will not support violent conflict in our country when we can elect representatives to impeach these individuals.

            Such talk is inflammatory and dangerous.  I seriously caution anyone who would contemplate scenarios of violent conflict inside this country, actually I would beg you to redirect your passion to more productive endeavors.

            •  You are misdirecting your wrath (none)
              I don't know if you've ever spent time in a conflict, under martial law, or in the middle of a civil war.

              Yes, Yes, No

              Such talk is inflammatory and dangerous.  I seriously caution anyone who would contemplate scenarios of violent conflict inside this country, actually I would beg you to redirect your passion to more productive endeavors

              Direct your attention to the person I quoted. I was merely pointing out that for all intents and purposes a form of coup has already taken place.

            •  nah (4.00)
              If a portion of our military executed a coup, or if law enforcement snatched the top members of this administration our country would erupt in violent conflict.

              I doubt it.  The vast majority of our citizens are oblivious to the machinations of government and don't think much about who's in charge.  They care more about buying stuff, consuming mass quantities, and watching "American Idol".

              Sorry for the cynicism - I would have agreed with you prior to 11/2.  

              •  Everyone (none)
                here is talking about military coups and mutinies
                and on and on, but the election results reveal an extraordinaily divide nation.
                   If you're really serious about "taking up arms against a sea of neocons", what you'll be faced with is called civil war with the two sides represented by, instead of the gray and the blueof the north and south, the red (states) and the blue states.
                   Another one of Hersh's more drastic suggestions is emigration to Italy. Well, the weather's fine over here. You're all more than welcome. Hmmm, now that I think about that would kill two birds with one stone (with all you lefties over here, we could get rid of Burlesqoni
                pretty easily.
                  Think about it...

                So I be written in the Book of Love. I care not about that book above. Erase my name or write it as you will. So I be written in the Book of Love. -Khayyam

                by gilgamesh on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:39:08 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  the red/blue state stuff is crap (none)
                  The maps are very misleading.  The real split is between urban and rural areas.  And while a lot of us in the cities are latte-sipping pacifists, a lot of us are not.  "There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."

                  Thanks for your invitation to Italy.  Sounds like an excellent idea.  I'd be happy to move to France too.  

                  •  Yeah, (none)
                    I remember reading some articles about the demographic over-simplification inherent in the red/blue state stuff. And,of course, if you think about logically how could not be. Sure, Ohio is red by 10,000 votes (or whatever tiny number it was)just like Texas which is overwhelmingly conservativethe. Of course not! I was just trying to make the point about the deep and powerful division that exists in the US between...well..pro-Bush and anti-Bush forces.
                    I should have put the phrase in quotes or something to show it's use as a sort of handy metaphorical device.
                        The rural/urban divide is fascinating from the view of an expat living over here,as I mentioned in another comment somewhere or other.
                    It seems to be just the contrary in Italy. The right hasn't been able to brainwash (since we're
                    in this thread concerning the cultish behavior
                    of the neocons that seems an appropriate term)
                    the rural, less-well-off voters of Italy; or, in any case, manipulate them into voting against their own interests as they have done so well in the US. I don't know, but I think part of it has to do with the still very powerful unions and other socialdemocratic institutions over here, but
                    a lot of it just seems to be cultural... Puzzling...
                        thanks for responding

                    would be

                    So I be written in the Book of Love. I care not about that book above. Erase my name or write it as you will. So I be written in the Book of Love. -Khayyam

                    by gilgamesh on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:43:07 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                •  i second that about italy (none)
                  it's a fabulous country in so many ways, though severely flawed just as is everywhere.

                  there are hundreds of farmhouses and cottages empty, falling down, and in need of restoration.
                  their value restored is rising very nicely, in euros too!

                  if you are handy with tools, you can live pretty cheaply as you restore doing a lot yourself.

                  taking responsibility for a house that's been standing for centuries and would have fallen down without intervention is a deeply nice thing to do for the planet, as well as being aesthetically interesting.

                  americans have been the backbone of 'quality' tourism in italy for years, and are not hated here for being americans, as sy implies is true of much of the rest of europe. in fact italy's been hurting since 9-11 stopped a lot of americans coming, and tourism is a huge component of the state's gnp.

                  plus most are as deeply embarassed about burly as you are about the anointed one, so commiseration around a glass of good wine may be in order!

                  i am saddened to read here on kos when americans feel afraid to come to italy because they think people are going to look at them funny, mutter strange comments, and generally cold-shoulder them. italians are not like that at all, as anyone who knows the country will attest.

                  i worked for a company that sold bike/hike tours and got to mingle with a lot of tourists from the u.s.a.

                  no-one had anything but compliments for the welcome they recieved, and i was careful to ask.

                  it was really interesting to see the difference in behaviour when we got to talking about politics and some were so relieved to express their worry about how things were going.

                  i turned quite a few onto dkos, yay

                  the ones who didn't want to talk politics looked ashamed...

                  taking responsibility for a house that's been standing for centuries and would have fallen down without intervention is a deeply nice thing to do for the planet, as well as being aesthetically interesting.

                  my brother sells real estate here and has sold to dozens of americans.

                  if there's anything i can do to help kossaks orientate to sy's advice, and give background to how to navigate being here, post  and let me know. i could put up 1 or 2 people for a while.

                  i suspect that your dollars at present value will still buy a surprising amount of property, knowing u.s. prices.

                  then one could sell in a couple of years, and move back to the states when things have shaken out (or you could buy in rural hawaii, where you have a sane daniel akaka at the wheel, and land is just starting to pick up value!)

                  an investment in italian real estate is not likely to be regretted, imo. funny to see that jump out of sy's speech, peeking out through the politics!

                  croatia would be probably more profitable, but it's several steps further from what you're likely used to, lol!

                  that's where the 'smart' european real estate investor capital is flowing now, and points east of that too.
                  too much of a bleeding edge for me, though i hear it's lovely in many ways, such as cleanliness of the sea, 1000 plus islands, and stunning architecture.

                  well this is a political blog and i'm sounding like a travel brochure, my apologies!

                  back to dem-boosting, with a will......

                  in blog we trust

                  by melo on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:31:49 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Civil war to be avoided (none)
                  You are correct.  Civil war should be avoided at almost all cost.  It is of course the action of last resort, but it is one that has been turned to many times before.  The United States was born in an armed conflict, as was the French democratic movement, etc.  But violence is the ugliest of ugly, and only evil enjoys it.

                  That said, I am fairly certain that here locally, where I am, my name has been noticed by some of the more militaristic right-wing citizens.  As one activist once said she had been told by one of the "cultists", "We know who you are and we know where to find you".  I was warned by a friend, who has communication ties that he hasn't explicitly acknowledged to me, that I had ought to keep my head down and my mouth shut, because I was creating problems for myself that might come to fruition later.  Upon hearing this, I immediately thought of Rwanda.

                  Sometimes the fight gets carried to you no matter how much you try to evade it.  In such cases, it is better to negotiate from a position of strength rather than absolute helplessness.

                  King George... Bush the Butcher.

                  by rangemaster on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:12:55 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  That (none)
                    is truly frightening stuff, ringmaster. I, personally, have never experienced anything like that either while I was in the States (where I was born and raised) or here in Italia. But that might just be because I haven't been very active in politics until recently.
                        I'm not completely ignorant of the fact that
                    their are substantial elements of the right-wing
                    that are far from averse to the use of violent tactics--the militias, the antiabortion terrorists, gun-wackos,etc..
                       The only thing I can tell is do not for anything in the world let yourself be intimidated into silence by the creeps and cultists. And, if push comes to shove, worse comes to worst....i'll be right back there in a heart beat fighting till the last drop of blood is spilled from my body to help defend the constituion and the great people,like yourself, who are willing to save their country from theocratic tyranny and censorship.

                    So I be written in the Book of Love. I care not about that book above. Erase my name or write it as you will. So I be written in the Book of Love. -Khayyam

                    by gilgamesh on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 12:56:06 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Rangemaster... (none)
                      Rangemaster not ringmaster, sorry about that.

                      So I be written in the Book of Love. I care not about that book above. Erase my name or write it as you will. So I be written in the Book of Love. -Khayyam

                      by gilgamesh on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 01:01:39 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

            •  Yikes! Some Talk Can Get You IMPRISONED! (none)
              I know that everyone here loves debate.  And outrage and being outrageous are part of the whole blog culture.  But some folks need to please THINK before they post!!

              The Alien Registration Act of 1940, usually called the Smith Act  because the antisedition section was authored by Representative Howard W. Smith of Virginia, was adopted at 54 Statutes at Large 670-671 (1940). The Act has been amended several times and can now be found at 18 U.S. Code § 2385 (2000).

              1. § 2385. Advocating Overthrow of Government.
              Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
              Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
              Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--
              Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
              If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
              As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

              This applies NOT JUST to threats of violence, but ALSO threats of "force." See also http://faculty.ncwc.edu/Mstevens/293/293lect14.htm

              Fuzzy only works for pets.

              by NotFuzzy on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 12:20:59 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Don't agree, don't understand, don't care (none)

            Perhaps they believed that 15-20 soldiers dying every week, while regrettable, was not as important as maintaining the bully pulpit against abortion or keeping their tax cuts or opposing same-sex marriage.  

            The scary thing is that 36 dead soldiers in Iraq yesterday was just another day in the news even though it was the worst so far.  36 soldiers dead in a month of occupation used to be considered extreme and worrying, then it became commonplace and 36 casualties in a week became newsworthy.  Now 36 casualties in a day are required to make the news.  

        •  A Mutiny is Not a Coup (4.00)
          There were a number of mutinies during Viet Nam, some in Viet Nam, some elsewhere, that contributed significantly to the accelerattion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces. An invaluable article on this entitled "The Collapse of the Armed Forces" by USMC Colonel Robert Heinl, an official historian of the Marines appeared in the Armed Forces Journal in 1971. You can read it here.

          "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories." -- Amilcar Cabral

          by Christopher Day on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:28:38 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Coups against the Amoral or the Absolute... (4.00)
          ...may be ugly and violent, but the society that emerges afterwards can look at itself and still respect what it is. England post-John and post-Charles I, for example.

          I don't wish a coup upon this nation, but I do wish as swift an end to the reign of incompetence wedded with amorality that we currently endure. Legal and bloodless mechanisms preferred, but as Harry said:

          Go bid thy master well advise himself:
          If we may pass, we will; if we be hinder'd,
          We shall your tawny ground with your red blood
          discolour...
          The sum of all our answer is but this:
          We would not seek a battle, as we are;
          Nor, as we are, we say we will not shun it...
        •  1958 in France (4.00)
          did not result in chaos.  Beginning with the mutiny of the French army in Algeria, it brought De Gaulle to power and ushered in the Fifth French Republic.
        •  I see my context was not clear (none)
          When I used the word "coup", I was responding to ljb, who was advocating the type of coup described in Alumbrados' comment:
          What if they decided not to go to war and arrested the President on charges of treason and brought him before a military tribunal? Or turned him over to the world court? That would be something to see. Emergency elections in the U.S. since the President, Vice president, Sec. of Defence, AG, etc have been turned over to the Haig. I say that because I'm not sur if normal lines of succession would work under those conditions, due to widespread corruption within the U.S. Government.
          •  Response (4.00)
            I can't believe things have gotten so badly that some DailyKos Posters are alluding to wishing a coup upon this nation.

            As was mentioned above, be careful what you wish for.  Any coup where President Bush and senior aides were arrested, etc. would be met with fierce resistance in many parts of this country.  Red America, you know the part of America that loves guns.

            As for those who think the military would be more inclined to unseat Bush, think again.  The military voters are a big part of Bush's base.

            •  Points of clarification... (none)
              ...nowhere in my post did I suggest a coup. Please do not put words in my mouth. If you don't understand, ask for clarification. What I suggested was a return to the rule of law, including international law, by people who have broken the laws they swore to obey. America is now operated by a rogue cabal that believes it is above the law. The coup already happened. I'm seeking restoration.

              There isn't one place where I suggested anything less. Military people have the right to disobey orders when they are illegal. That doesn't make it a coup.

              Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

              by Alumbrados on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 05:22:59 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  I should also add... (4.00)
                ...that Constitution also says that if the U.S. Government becomes hopelessly corrupt, the American people should abolish the government and start a new one. I'm paraphrasing, but everything I have suggested is not against America, but at the heart of it's very founding in seeking liberty and justice for all.

                Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

                by Alumbrados on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 05:29:00 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Not the Constitution (none)
                  I believe you are thinking of the Declaration of Independance, which is not a legally binding document.
                  •  what a bunch of pussies (none)
                    fretting about violence being off the table. I don't advocate violence at this point either, but the sanctimonious crap that is being spewed - as if W is some sort of holy leader that we have to respect - is pure and utter bullshit.

                    W must be deposed. I don't know by what means, but it must happen. I don't expect it will be by means of violence. It should be by people coming to their senses. But the state of the nation is at stake. The entire fabric of our culture is about to be unraveled as you scold people about what you think is appropriate.

                    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

                    by SeanF on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:37:24 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Response (none)
                      SeanF

                      No one thinks that W is some holy leader.  Far from it.  This isn't the Free Republic.  

                      When you say that W must be deposed, are you talking about before his term ends?  Let's get a few things straight.  Bush won the popular vote and the electoral college.  According to most Republicans and Democrats he is the popularly elected President.  You are alluding to the possible need of armed rebellion in your posts and calling those people "pussies" who would disagree.

                      I don't want anything to do with a military coup.  That makes us worse than the countries we criticize for appalling human rights record (i.e., Pakistan).  You know what the end result would be right?  It would be a bunch of liberal protestors shot and killed dead.  The military isn't going to rise up against Bush.  The vast majority of Americans would see what you are proposing as an insurrection and many would feel little remorse if the soldiers shot civilians trying to initiate armed rebellion.

                      •  alright (none)
                        so yes, perhaps my other post was a bit over the top. I'm more in the camp of civil disobedience than outright violence. I guess the reason for the passion is that I'm beginning to expect that by the next election, America will be a different place, on it's way into devistation, and everyone will know it. I'm less interested in preserving the smooth flow of our system than getting our government to change it's policies before it's too late to salvage.

                        Perhaps this is alarmist. I don't know.

                        All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

                        by SeanF on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:52:13 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                    •  You don't disable a car (4.00)
                      by shooting the hood ornament.
                  •  Thanks (none)
                    I knew it was in one of the documents. It may not be legal, but it still ties in with the "Spirit of America."

                    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

                    by Alumbrados on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:46:21 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

              •  Response (none)
                Alumbrados, we have different definitions of the word "coup".  If the military were to depose Bush (this would never happen), I, and most Americans, would consider that to be a coup.  What you have described as your justifications by the way are similar justifications used by the militaries in Pakistan and Turkey when they did the same.

                Bush is the popularly elected President.  More importantly, most Americans see him as the legitimate winner of the 2004 election.  Any attempted overthrow of Bush prior to the 2008 election (outside of an impeachment proceeding) is a coup.

              •  Some bad news for you (none)
                > The coup already happened. I'm seeking
                > restoration.

                I am afraid I have some bad news for you.  Out here in the middle of the red states, most citizens like Bush, think he is doing a reasonably good job, and think the Iraq situation is about what they expected.  They don't follow politics obsessively but they are somewhat aware of what is going on and they are OK with it.  

                This is something the Demos really need to get a handle on but don't seem to understand in the least.

                sPh

        •  the frabric of our society (none)
          needs some tearing. We are a filthy dishonerable people for having reelected Bush.

          All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

          by SeanF on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:28:14 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  if there is a military coup - that's it (4.00)
        that is why Gore and Kerry stepped aside -- the rule of law is very very very important.  Once you end it, civil society can break down and the democracy is dead.

        Better to fight within the legal and constitutional framework.  Before a coup, there should be a citizen's movement.  A military coup on its own would be tragic.

        Action: Help 75,000 more Americans learn the true cost of war.
        Click, download, email. (painful photo)

        by Tom Kertes on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:59:52 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Offer only valid through__________. (none)
          Better to fight within the legal and constitutional framework... while we still have one.
          •  I can't look at Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004 (4.00)
            or the supreme court soon to be led by [shudder] Scalia or Thomas and believe that we have an actual Constitutional or legal framework any more.  

            An audioanimatronic facsimile of one, yes...just enough to keep the ribbon stickers plastered on the SUVs, but not one in reality.  

            My personal belief is that we should have been in the streets on November 3, 2004.  My personal opinion is that it's just a matter of time until we are.  And that that will be vastly preferable to the alternative.  

        •  The stress point (none)
          Things break when they are stressed too far.  The War is the stress point.  If it turns out that the helicopter was shot down by a hand-held missile, we are a good way to that inevitable date.  It will be very hard.  The draft, in my opinion, is necessary and will be asked for; but I don't think it is on.  I don't think the Congress will vote it against will of the mothers of America.  Military defeat is possible.  It will be hard to swallow, especially for the military, who know exactly who is responsible for it.  This is the stress point.

          The way to avoid that moment is to mobilize public opinion so strongly against continuing the war, that the politicians will ease off before the military steps in.  I don't see any other outcome.  Victory is not in the cards, not to mention that we don't even know how to define it.

          •  Insightful (none)
            I agree with most of your points, except that of the draft.  Congress will sign on to it.  This nation is becoming very militaristic minded, too much like 1930's Germany.  King George could get his draft.

            Your theme of stress in the system, especially in the military, is very apt.  The signs are already there that there is growing unrest with the grandiose schemes and speeches of this president.

            King George... Bush the Butcher.

            by rangemaster on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:32:39 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Exactly (none)
          No one wants a military coup. I don't think Republicans or Democrats want this.

          As things are right now, our constitutional rights are abolished. If I were you I'd get my passport, I'd move to Canada, or to Mexico depending on what you are closer to, and I'd position to move to Europe.

          If you choose to stay in America, prepare to be the new Jew because from what I see conservatives hate liberals are much as they hate communists. Once the economy gets bad, why not leave?

          If the country is going to collapse, let it be Republicans fault. I have the feeling that if liberals stay and fight they'll just be made into the scape goat.  

          Get your passports ready.

          Learn how to take back the issue of national security. Progressives are stronger on security.

          by Lucian on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 10:58:50 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  You posters are stupid as hell (none)
        You do know what you are saying right? When the secret service tosses you into a camp then you'll be sorry you said it.

        As much as I may dislike Bush, I don't want the country to collapse, and thats the kinda situation would would cause a collapse. What I suggest is, if you don't like the way the country is headed, just leave. That's the easiest solution. Put your money in the Euro, get your passports ready and leave.

        Learn how to take back the issue of national security. Progressives are stronger on security.

        by Lucian on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 10:53:00 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  And restore (none)
      Al Gore to his rightful place as President! sigh...it hurts, really hurts.

      People are powerful!

      by One World on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:10:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  That's a coup (none)
      No matter how fucked up the civilians running our government are, they're about 1000 times better than a military takeover.

      And I like the military.  

      •  This is why (none)
        You should get your passport. If the USA did collapse, which country is willing to accept us as refugees? NONE!

        So get your passport now, and flee when things get rough, or stay and deal with martial law. Personally, martial law scares me more than any other possible situation, and it wouldnt take much for martial law to be declared.

        Learn how to take back the issue of national security. Progressives are stronger on security.

        by Lucian on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:01:16 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  What if they.... did do just exactly that? (none)
      It has crossed my mind, repeatedly.  Whether Bush and company would be willing to leave office in '08 if they didn't think their dream successor was in place.  Or if they just didn't want to leave.

      If there really are as many in the high-levels of the armed forces that 1) didn't like Gonzalez and can't believe Bush nominated him or more importantly 2) Think Iraq was and is a lie and a mistake and 3) Hold their beliefs to be true and their Country to be more holy than chain of command and the constitution itself then... perhaps... it could happen.  

      If it did, would the Republicans then accuse the Generals of hating the troops and being With The Terrorists?

      I doubt it could happen.  But the instantaneous reaction of the globe would be panic.  If the right person were put into place, either via succession or emergency elections or temporary martial law... I can already envision the Global Bash to celebrate.

      --I'm not a liberal, I'm just paying attention.

      by mcolley on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:43:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  turned over to the Haig? (none)
      I think you meant "Hague".

      Or did you mean Al Haig? I am not certain how he could help us now.

      Republicans support the troops the sameway ranchers support the cattle

      by Darth Cheney on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:54:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site