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  •  Did you see the part (4.00)
    where Hersh was describing who, exactly, is sources were?

    He said some non-koolaide drinkers, who actually disagree with the admin, kept their dissention under wraps and survived the Porter Goss Purge. Sounds like they frantically sought out someone to leak to on this latest Iran production, scheduled for summer 2005 in a theatre near you!

    •  question (4.00)
      Did he actually use the word "kool aid drinkers"? Or is that just paraphrasing?
      •  Kool-aid drinkers (4.00)
        He specifically used the phrase "kool-aid drinkers". I was a little taken-aback myself but it just goes to show how deadly serious he is about this.

        If you've got cable and missed last night's show with Hersh, it's on again tonight on the Comedy Channel at 7pm Pacific, then again at 11:30pm Pacific, after the new show.

        A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

        by tmo on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:11:01 PM PST

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        •  The Comedy Channel (4.00)
          It just seems so incongruous after the rest of the discussion (war, torture, the collapse of civilization as we know it).

          You can probably find the interview at the Daily Show site as well. But last night's episode is well worth watching in its entirety, as there's lots more on the war with Iran.

          •  Kid Movies (4.00)
            I'll one up you. I was having a discussion today and mentioned that Bush's foreign policy can be derived from Gaston's speech in Disney's Beauty and the Beast. "You are either for us or against us!", "He will kill your families if you don't act!".

            So after realizing the State Department is not involved in long-term foreign policy, and realizing a few simpletons who watch kids movie run the show using the logic of a 5-year old, we kind of were in a state of panic.

            So having Comedy Central critique our government makes sense. After all, they at least are at the level of a teenager.

            Which begs the question of where the supposed giants of the media, WSJ, NYT, WP, CNN, FOX, etc. and how they all fit into this. Since the 5-year olds run the show, and the teenagers are the only one that seem to realize that this is bad (but no one listens to teenagers), at what level are the supposed giants of the fourth estate? (Hint: infantile, or in Safire's case...senile.)

            But more importantly, where are the adults?

        •  Where did the "Kool aid" thing come... (none)
          from?

          I've seen Hersh use that phrase but most Americans wouldn't know what the hell he means by it.

          •  Jonestown (none)
            Jimmy Jones had his followers en mass drink kool-aid (well, actually a cheap kool-aid knockoff brand) laced with cyanide when it looked like his cult was going to be shut down. Most of the followers were so brainwashed by the cult that they drank up willingly, even after watching the ones who had drank before them die. There's more here.

            "Kool-aid drinkers", as such, has become slang for people so completely absorbed in/by whatever movement they're in that they're willing to do staggeringly stupid things for it without a second thought.

            Nobody lends money to a man with a sense of humor -- Peter Tork, "Head"

            by Field Marshall Stack on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:12:59 AM PST

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          •  Jim Jones... (none)
            The Kool-Aid reference can be found in this entry.
          •  Most Americans wouldn't understand kool-aid? (none)
            Most Americans wouldn't understand the kool-aid reference? Are you serious? Good lord, it seems like I hear that expression nearly every day. I certainly heard a lot of it during Dean's campaign in the primaries, and this lot of bozos in office certainly brings out the references. Maybe it's more a California thing, since the whole Jim Jones cult came from San Francisco.

            A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

            by tmo on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 12:19:12 PM PST

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