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  •  With much, much due respect to Sy Hersh... (none)
    ...I feel that the tone of his remarks is somewhat sadsack and helpless -- batten down the hatches and keep your cyanide pills dry.  The progressive left looks to him for wisdom, and I'm not sure what they/we can take away from his remarks other than, well, the sky is fucking falling and there's nothing we can do about it.  Where's the righteous indignation?  Where's the anger?

    Maybe we have not reached the critical mass phase where our intellectuals stand up and bang on the podium and call for social disobedience en masse, but I'm starting to believe it's going to take exactly that to bring this crisis to a head.  I feel dirty just paying taxes to a government that condones torture, and I would be willing to engage in some rather radical actions at this point if only I felt there were almost as many brothers and sisters in arms than there were prison cells in this fucking police state of ours.

    I have no experience in organizing large protests, but I would love to see a mass Torture March in Los Angeles.  People dressed in hoods and battery cables.  Simulated waterboarding.  Et cetera.  And if there's anyone else out there who wants to run with this idea logistically, you've got my creative support and commitment.

    •  Sy is in the Beltway loop (none)
      he spends all his days talking to frustrated and anonymous federal bureaucrats, ex-spies, and mid-rank military types. They're depressed because they've been shoved aside rather abruptly, or sacked when they've said something sensible out loud.  So yeah, Hersch going to be a bummer. But he's not a political leader, he's a journalist, describing what he hears and sees.  No need to take him as the Oracle of Doom--just process what he's saying and make your decisions accordingly.
    •  lol, you think that intellectuals will pound the (none)

      That will never happen.  Never has, never will.  IF you are waiting for the intellectuals to lead you you will be waiting a long time.

      It is us intellectually disobedient folk that do that kind of thing.

      so i said,"Washington's groovy(laughs). That's what i said. And it is... for Romans"

      by k9disc on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:17:39 AM PST

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      •  sorry, but... (none) don't consider Malcolm X an intellectual?  Father Phillip Berrigan?  Betty Friedan?  The Founding Fathers?

        What the hell are you talking about?

        •  Now that is interesting (none)
          My bad.  

          I was thinking 'respected' intellectuals. (The super commas are there for a reason.)

          I don't think that those kinds of intellectuals are in circulation these days.  I am trying to think of some off the top of my head that the mainstream might know by name.  I can't really think of any.  Gore Vidal, Soros, come to mind

          All the intellectuals that I read ARE pounding the podium, but then again, nobody knows Chomsky, Lobe, Hartmann, Are those guys really intellectuals.  There are also quite a few career diplomats and government officials that are out and about, but they are not getting any mainstream play either.  And are they intellectuals?

          so i said,"Washington's groovy(laughs). That's what i said. And it is... for Romans"

          by k9disc on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:20:19 AM PST

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