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  •  I think this would hurt the wrong people (none)
    I liked this idea, at first, until I thought about it a bit more.  If even a small group raised a ruckus about not paying taxes, I could easily see the Bush folks using that as an excuse to gut things they don't like, such as education, the EPA, Head Start, etc. (Not that they aren't already, but more).

    Besides which, as progressives aren't we supposed to be the ones who like taxes? Y'know, the whole "everybody paying their fair share" bit.

    We need to find a different way.

    •  More or less... (none)
      ...what I said.  I don't propose we do not pay our taxes, anymore than I propose we carry canisters of oxygen as a response to increased pollution.  But if all other avenues are closed to us, then extreme measures may be necessary.  I'm not willing to set fire to things, so, taxes.  Maybe.  Possibly.  Somewhere down the line.  If things get bad enough.

      Consider this:  If I pay $20K for a car, I expect to get a car.  I don't expect to pony up $20K and then be told to hand over my car.  

      I'm paying taxes to support the government outlined in the US Consitution. That government is supposed to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare.  If I'm not gonna get what I'm payin' for, then I'm not gonna pay for it.

      We have at this moment a "government" that considers us traitorous for disagreeing with it, for even questioning it.  We have a "government" that proposes to use our tax dollars for the purpose of controlling what we read and how we think.  We have a "government" that is taking our tax dollars and using them to do everything it can think of to reduce the quality of life for our children.  

      That's a reduced quality of life for those of our children whose very lives it does not squander.

      "Our fair share" of what?  One hundred thousand dead civilians in Iraq?  The PATRIOT Act?  Gonzales's torture memos?  You paid for all of 'em, baby!  How do you feel?

      Right now we still have options.  But there may come a time when our only option is to refuse to bear any longer the financial cost of our own oppression.

      "...your grasp has exceded your reach/ And you put all your faith in a figure of speech..." -- Warren Zevon

      by Roddy McCorley on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:04:23 PM PST

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      •  Two things (none)
        1. Remember - ot's the ABUSE A PATRIOT act

        2. I'm curious, what cues would define "bad enough"?

        This is something that's been eating at me - why aren't we motivated enough to do something more substantial than write stuff and desperately try to convince people we know to see what's in front of them?

        Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

        by mataliandy on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:17:00 PM PST

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        •  answer for 2 (none)
          2.  Because we are scared.  It isn't like the punishment will be a beating like back in the 60s.  

          so i said,"Washington's groovy(laughs). That's what i said. And it is... for Romans"

          by k9disc on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 06:34:07 AM PST

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        •  Cues for "bad enough" (none)
          The American version of Kristalnacht comes to mind immediately, seeing as we've already had our Reichstag fire, and something not unlike a Night of the Long Knives (politically, anyway.)  I predict roving bands of "patriotic" thugs as opposition to the war in Iran (not a typo) intensifies.

          The wholesale rounding up of prominent Democrats and liberals.  It may take a more subtle form than that, however. Things like broadcasting licenses pulled, bullshit charges a la Martha Stewart.

          A declaration of martial law.

          If I weren't at work, I'd probably come up with more, but you get the idea.

          Keep this one in mind -- National Identity Card.  That's not quite the cue for "bad enough."  It's more like the warm-up.

          "...your grasp has exceded your reach/ And you put all your faith in a figure of speech..." -- Warren Zevon

          by Roddy McCorley on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:47:16 AM PST

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      •  RE: a tax strike (none)
        as some of you here know, I was involved pretty heavily with the inaug. day boycott events.

        you would not believe how many people came to me (via email) with the idea of a tax strike. a lot.

        the idea is out there, and not because of anyone paranoically spreading emails. each one of these people seems to think they have come up with it themself, from what I can tell.

        thing is, if you wait until things get "bad enough" before you try to start assembling a critical mass of people, then you automatically lose. preparation is the key to victory in any conflict, yah?

        so my thought is this, for those who are mulling this sort of action: start putting together the "coalition of the willing" NOW, and define the triggering event that puts the actual action in motion. I.E., a military strike on Iran. If the US attacks Iran, then the strike begins. Hopefully, by that point you've already got a few hundred thousand people committed to the idea, a percentage of whom will actually follow through - but a big enough number that they can't possibly arrest everybody.

        I'm not saying "should" or "shouldn't" to this, but if you have ANY thought of doing so, the time to start putting it into potential motion passed a while ago. Better late than never, which means now.

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