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    believe that would have made such a tremendous difference. Let's not forget,here, that LT. Kerry voted in favor of the resolution authorizing the President to intervene militarily in Iraq,then subsequently tried to disingenously, in my mind,  excuse himself by suggesting that he was misled on WMD, al-Qaeada links and so forth by the administration (the adminitration, meanwhile, insists it was misled on WMD, etc., by the intelligence community)
       Then,when asked during the campaign whether he would have voted the same way knowing then (after the Abu Graib revelations, the Duelfer report proving that their were no WMD in Iraq, nearly two years of continued catastrophic warfare costing the lives of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians, and no exit stargety in site) whether he would have voted the same way as he did when the resoltion was originally passed,he answered
    "YES" . Shocking and disgusting!
          And as if that weren't enough, he failed to once mention,let alone denounce forthrightly, the torture at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the entire system of intenational concentration camp/gulags that this administration has been setting up
    in the so-called "war on terror". Kerry's position, if I remember correctly, was that the Iraq was being badly conducted and it was a "distraction" from the general "war on terror".
    He promised to send in more troops to augment the number of those already dying and killing in Iraq to promote a fundamentally imperialistic neo-conservative/Jacobin revolution in the Middle East. He said would fight a more effective "war on terror" than the Bush admin...LOL!!
            Do you really John think "reporting for duty" Kerry would have put a stop to this mess, or don't you suspect, like Alexander Cockburn, Gore Vidal and the more truly progressive elements of the Democratic party, that he would more probably have "escalated" it,just as Johnson did in '67 and '68 in the Southeat Asian fiasco?

    So I be written in the Book of Love. I care not about that book above. Erase my name or write it as you will. So I be written in the Book of Love. -Khayyam

    by gilgamesh on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 02:57:49 AM PST

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      Yeah, it would be different because this entire administration would be out. I think your points are sound but I felt this way about Kerry: he could have avoided getting anywhere near Vietnam but he went there and was in combat; then he was involved in the anti-war movement. Compared to the sh*t we're going to be facing the next four years I'd rather have trusted Kerry with the current situation. And we would be arguing about all this in that context.

      Same Ape, Different Tools

      by hhex65 on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:24:58 AM PST

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      •  Anti-war before volunteering (none)
        I have not dug any further into this issue than the piece I saw on PBS, but Kerry did give a speech at commencement exercises before volunteering where he criticized the Vietnam War.  Now someone else told me that he didn't explicitly criticize the morality of the war, but rather the practicality of U.S. policy that relied so heavily on military action to achieve its goals.  Still, even that sounds like an implicit criticism of the Vietnam War.

        Now why would someone be opposed to the logic for war, if not the morality, yet still volunteer?  I can understand coming out of a conflict opposed to war, but being opposed to it beforehand and then joining, killing people as a result of that decision, and then criticizing the war again afterward?  It just smelled too much and created enough unease internally (cognitive dissonance) for me that I wouldn't have, and didn't, vote for Kerry as the democratic nominee.

        That to me has always sounded too much like political opportunism, the awareness that being an articulate vet criticizing the war afterward would be a speedy way of advancing a political career.  

        Kerry was not the best nominee from which the democrats had to pick.

        But I would have picked Mickey Mouse over the boy king who has led this nation straight toward Hell.

        King George... Bush the Butcher.

        by rangemaster on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:10:49 AM PST

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