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    •  The longest conflict in US history? (0+ / 0-)

      Umm, no.

      The first US Deaths in the Vietnam War took place on July 8, 1959.  The final US soldiers, ten Marines from the US embassy, departed Saigon on April 30, 1975. A shade under 16 years.

      ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

      by bustacap on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 11:09:50 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, but (1+ / 0-)
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        1959 isn't considered the beginning of the Vietnam conflict. I believe those deaths were among U.S. "advisers" to the French.

        U.S. involvement escalated in the early 1960s, but the first combat units were deployed in 1965, and that's by and large considered the start date of the war as far as the U.S. is concerned.

        •  Even using those definitions (though we had (0+ / 0-)

          ... over 16,000 soldiers in Vietnam by the time Kennedy died) the Afghan war still won't exceed the Vietnam war for about a year.

          ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

          by bustacap on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 12:00:21 PM PDT

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          •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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            You know, this was kind of a big deal when the media reported it recently:

            "Afghanistan has become the longest conflict in American history - surpassing even the Vietnam war.

            "The war entered its 104th month yesterday, with 30,000 American troops being deployed in the first half of this year alone.

            "The last U.S. ground combat soldiers were brought home from Vietnam after 103 months of fighting."

            •  And from the comments to that article (0+ / 0-)

              Eisenhower committed US troops as Advisors to Vietnam in the late 1950's Kennedy began increasing their numbers in the early 1960's.

              First US combat casualty Specialist 4 James T. Davis who was killed on December 22, 1961.

              The last American soldier killed in the Vietnam War was Kelton Rena Turner, an 18-year old Marine. He was killed in action on May 15, 1975, two weeks after the evacuation of Saigon, in what became known as the Mayaguez incident.

              Do the math. Then consider employing someone who knows something about military history to review all such future articles.

              Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

              ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

              by bustacap on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 01:49:26 PM PDT

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        •  Nobody Can Advise The French (0+ / 0-)

          1959 isn't considered the beginning of the Vietnam conflict. I believe those deaths were among U.S. "advisers" to the French.

          You're right but the French forces were long gone.  We were advising the South Vietnamese forces, mostly through North Vietnamese refugees, and advising Washington everything was going just swell though we knew it was a lie.

          We were "peacetime" soldiers even when they were shooting at us.

          The worst damage I suffered was not from a Viet Cong bomb but from a rabid JFK fan after I got back.  I had told the fine fellow that the nomination of JFK would lead to something real bad.

          Try telling some Obama fans...

          Aww fogetaboutit.

          Best,  Terry

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