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  •  Yet we just finished lionizing the dear, (3+ / 0-)
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    departed Sentor Byrd, who to his dying day, declared his love for the Senate, for its roolz, for its traditions.  Reconcile that for me, if you please, with all the strum-und-drang here about changing all those "stupid Senate roolz".

    And why such a nasty, speak-ill-of-the-dead rant here (aside from pointing out the casual hyporcrisy that floats over much of the debate in the Kossack ranks, like smog over L.A):  because the Senate roolz are the way tyrannical bullies hold sway over the Senate (well, how do you think Byrd got all that "swag" for West VA? by asking nicely, or knocking heads?).  

    So no, IMHO, they may talk a lot about it, but no one in the Senate wants to burn the bullwhip because, who knows, each one is thinking, they themselves might need it some day.

    (Have at it!)

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king; in the land of the braindead, the intelligent person is cast as the village idiot."

    by dendron gnostic on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:50:08 AM PDT

    •  the Arctic Circli Northwest Passage is open (0+ / 0-)

      Tax the wealthy to pay for their bloated Pentagon, Iraq/Afghan oil wars, bank bailouts, corporate welfare; I'm not cleaning up their disasters

      by Churchill on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:52:30 AM PDT

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    •  Who engineered the last change? (7+ / 0-)

      Who engineered the last change in Senate cloture rules? Who changed precedent to eliminate the post-cloture filibuster-by-amendment?

      The dear, departed Senator Byrd.

      I wouldn't be too worried about speaking ill here.

      •  Byrd staunch defender of filibuster. (1+ / 0-)
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        And it has more than a bit to do with his early roots using it opposing civil rights and in support of segregation.  

        Byrd is no hero and filibuster is a blight on US political system and one that Byrd defended to his death.

        Ironically, it will be the GOP who will kill the filibuster, more out of greed than anything else, using it in either 2012 or 2014 when they gain power to undo the small positive changes of last couple years.

        US will then have to wait for Democrats to gain power with the filibuster gone to see any progress on health care, oil/energy/climate and deficit/debt.

        Not sure US has that long though, the Reaganomic debt of last 30 years will hit 100% of GDP because Obama did have the courage Clinton did to confront it and US economic collapse from weight of Reaganomics debt on top of current Reaganomics recession could take US down.

        •  Staunch defender. (4+ / 0-)

          But not an immovable object.

          The record is the record. When he needed it done, he facilitated two of the greatest reforms in cloture procedure ever implemented. Period. Full stop.

          •  "Greatest reforms" which did no reform. (0+ / 0-)

            Sounds like the same kind of "reform" Byrd pushed as "separate but equal" regarding segregation.

            Filibuster, like segregation, has no "reform" version. Byrd was adamant in support of the filibuster.

            That is the "full stop" for reform in US.

            •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

              It used to be that it took 67 votes to invoke cloture, and so it was almost never invoked.

              Now, after the change Byrd helped engineer, it takes 60 votes, and is much more frequently invoked.

              The change was made in 1975. Up until that point, cloture had been successfully invoked a total of 21 times in the first 56 years of the existence of the cloture motion.

              In the 35 years since 1975, cloture has been successfully invoked 367 times.

              I guess if you squint real hard at it, that counts as no reform.

              •  There's no way to reform filibuster. (0+ / 0-)

                Any more than a way to "reform" segregation, something else Byrd attempted.

                It used to be that it took 67 votes to invoke cloture, and so it was almost never invoked.

                Filibuster rarely used and cloture less so in the past, like slow growing cancer that does not interfere with vital functions in its early stage.

                In the 35 years since 1975, cloture has been successfully invoked 367 times.

                Because frequency of filibuster went up dramatically in response to civil rights and then as a deliberate political tool by Newt/GOP to make US government dysfunctional so people would vote GOP out of frustration, as they are doing in 2010 election.

                Now the filibuster "cancer" has metastasized, interfering with function of the body politic, disrupting the majority rule laid out by US Constitution, is causing pain and death (health care, oil, deficit/debt, stimulus, unemployment).

                Byrd was one of the staunchest supporters of the filibuster and the filibuster has proven a disaster for US, overturning Constitutional majority rule and causing fatal paralysis of US government to deal with life threatening problems.

                As Pelosi stated, the filibuster must go.

        •  Dems always have to get their teeth kicked in. (1+ / 0-)
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          Before they learn how to fight back.

          It's embarrassing.

          "Philosophy is useless; theology is worse"--Dire Straits

          by Bush Bites on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:21:53 AM PDT

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          •  If only. (0+ / 0-)

            I like watching "the Karate Kid" and reading my grandfather's Dick Francis books. In other words, there's nothing wrong with a scene where the hero gets beaten up, if you know it's going to motivate learning how to fight.

            With the Democrats...

            Senate rules which prevent any reform of the filibuster are unconstitutional. Therefore, we can rein in the filibuster tomorrow with 51 votes.

            by homunq on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 06:33:36 PM PDT

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      •  ("Curses, Waldman, you always bring "teh facts, (0+ / 0-)

        teh accurate history")

        Bo)  (3-D glasses!  - clever, no?)

        ;o}

        Bo)

        In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king; in the land of the braindead, the intelligent person is cast as the village idiot."

        by dendron gnostic on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 12:17:49 PM PDT

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