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  •  Yeah, except she didn't even say so in the book. (3+ / 0-)
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    She said so in an event in NYC a couple months later, when some kid asked her who killed Lupin, and she just said the Death Eater's name, and my brother looked up and saw it was the one Harry had earlier stunned.

    He was quite scathing on the subject in an article he wrote for a law review.

    Death Eaters is just a cool name. The woman is the world's reigning champion of cool names.

    -9.0, -8.3 "...the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year" --AP, 6/9/2010

    by SensibleShoes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 06:52:06 PM PDT

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    •  Oh. Yikes. (4+ / 0-)

      (And the idea that the author can say what happened, even if it's not on the page, baffles me.)

      "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

      by GussieFN on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 06:56:59 PM PDT

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      •  I agree--bad form... (4+ / 0-)
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        I think it all needs to be on the page. If it's important, show or tell us... Like the fact that Dumbledore was apparently gay. (So JKR has said in post-publication interviews.)

        If it's important to the story, include it. If it's not, then don't tell us after the books are done and published. What's the point?

        ~j.

        •  Well, it was for charity. (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't got a problem with this-- I wanted those answers too!

          Stephen King organized this event at Radio City Music Hall, which featured himself, JKR, and John Irving.  For charity, but I suspect mainly because Mr. King wanted to meet Ms. Rowling, he being a huge Potterhead.

          Book 7 had just come out and naturally people had lots of questions. I'm not sure if this was when the famous "Dumbledore is gay" declaration was made (something most adult readers had probably guessed) but there was a great deal of curiosity and lots of questions about details that weren't in the books-- and the answers not only went all over the blogosphere, but even all over the SCLM (kossish for "so-called liberal media").

          We should all be so lucky.

          Poor Mr. Irving probably ended up feeling like the kid who gets picked last for the team.

          Also, she could hardly have made the books any longer.

          -9.0, -8.3 "...the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year" --AP, 6/9/2010

          by SensibleShoes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:14:10 PM PDT

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          •  Well, don't get me started on the length of HPs (3+ / 0-)
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            I have strong opinions about that...

            I guess I don't have an issue with these unknown elements being true--heck, in writing my characters' back stories, there's a ton of stuff that will never make the text of the story proper--but when it seems to be such a significant element (like the Death Eater having been challenged by Harry and not being dispatched only to kill Lupin later), it makes me a bit frustrated to have it not be in the narrative.

            That seems like it means something. To not include it means it wasn't meaningful to the author, but to say it later makes it meaninful to the readers... but only those privy to the statements made on that occasion.

            This was news to me, and I feel like it is indicative of sloppiness and lack of attention to detail. I don't mean to be judgmental, but I guess maybe I am. It's one of those things I am working hard to avoid in my own writing.... Time will tell if I will be successful in that, so I should probably be more gracious.

            It just bugs.

            ~j.

            •  it worries me that some editor (2+ / 0-)
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              made her remove it...

              There is another lady...one of the ones that I said I quit reading...who seems to have whole chunks missing as if someone said to her that the book was too long so cut this, and she cut too much and left us going, "huh?"

              There is a problem with a long series, too, where the author is just tired of the whole thing and "phones it in."  

              I got that feeling with HP #7.

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              by cfk on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:30:50 PM PDT

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              •  Good point... I hadn't thought of editorial (2+ / 0-)
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                pressures with respect to that. But the length of the later novels made me think that no editor was willing to tell JKR much of anything. How can you mess with that kind of success?

                I agree with the comment earlier, though, about #7 being so different in tone that it was off-putting. Was that because JKR was tired and phoning it in? Maybe. Perhaps it was her attempt at building gravitas during the series... but it did seem like an uncomfortable shift.

                ~j.

                •  What I think happened (1+ / 0-)
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                  was that the tendency to sentimentality is her own, and that the editors were reining it in in the earlier books. (And she was probably reining it in herself.) Her sense of humor is terrific, but you can sense the sentimentality in some of her speeches, public statements, and interviews.

                  I don't think editors ever stop trying to set you straight, but there certainly comes a point, for a few writers, when they no longer have to listen to their editors. And this is almost always a mistake.

                  -9.0, -8.3 "...the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year" --AP, 6/9/2010

                  by SensibleShoes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:43:11 PM PDT

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            •  I agree; it should have been in the books. (2+ / 0-)
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              In fact it wasn't only those who were privy to the later info: they also had to have looked back at the book and seen that that was the DE Harry had stunned-- which means they had to have half-remembered it, as my brother did.

              Of course, a thousand or so people read his law review article, so now they all know.

              I think the last four books should have been edited heavily. Well, not book 5. I really enjoyed every minute of book 5.

              Actually I enjoyed every minute of all of them. So I'm torn between my literary sense and my feelings as a Potterhead.

              Bottom line is, she could get away with it because she is J.K. Rowling. You (to the best of my knowledge) and I are not.

              -9.0, -8.3 "...the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year" --AP, 6/9/2010

              by SensibleShoes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:38:17 PM PDT

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              •  No, I'm a nobody... (2+ / 0-)
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                I only share two initials with the HP Queen. Beyond that, all similarities end.

                At least you have published!

                And that's my sense, too--she got away with it because of who she is and her past success. Should I ever gain such popularity (ha!), I hope that I have good friends and editors who can keep me grounded and help me pare down my prose and avoid diarrhea of the pen....

                ...for just because you can doesn't mean you should!

                ~j.

                •  Still, what always gets lost in these discussions (1+ / 0-)
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                  is that the lady is one hell of a writer.

                  -9.0, -8.3 "...the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year" --AP, 6/9/2010

                  by SensibleShoes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:07:35 PM PDT

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