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  •  Give me Liberty or make me lose weight! (1+ / 0-)
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    "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

    by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 05:50:17 AM PDT

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    •  You've noticed that, huh? How many (0+ / 0-)

      more objects can they put in front of him to not show off the gain, which is not good news for a diabetic?

      Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

      by conlakappa on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 06:14:08 AM PDT

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      •  He has the right to be very fat (0+ / 0-)

        But for someone this fat to be a spokesman for the treatment of a disease that's made vastly worse by being fat is like OJ Simpson promoting Valentine's Day.

        This is emblematic of what's wrong with our health care "system"--treat the symptoms with expensive drugs and devices instead of living a healthy life and getting regular checkups. "Rugged individualism" rearing its fat ugly ass.

        "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

        by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 06:23:13 AM PDT

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        •  Whatever his rights, my point was (0+ / 0-)

          also about the diabetes and weight gain.  I think his corporate overlords are trying to cover it up with a porch, a table, plants, etc.

          Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

          by conlakappa on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 07:11:08 AM PDT

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          •  It's kind of hard to hide (1+ / 0-)
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            I think that their choice of someone like him was deliberate, in that they're obviously going after the "I want to eat my cake and not die of diabetes too" crowd who'd rather treat their symptoms than live a more healthy life.

            Something very Republican about the whole ad campaign. I.e. live irresponsibly, feel entitled to not have to deal with the consequences, and then defiantly try to cover them up when they inevitably occur and deny that they're occuring.

            That's your modern GOP in a nutshell:

            Lack of responsibility for oneself and others
            A sense of exaggerated entitlement
            Willful and aggressive denial of reality
            Putting on a mock tough guy facade to hide your faults
            Treating the symtoms but not the cause

            "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

            by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 07:23:22 AM PDT

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            •  Yet he'd be the first to cry foul/some (0+ / 0-)

              sort of ADA violation if they dropped him because of it.  He didn't start out doing the ads at that size.  He's considered gruff but approachable.  I remember his first post-fame pitch being oatmeal.  Now he's talking about Medicare taking care of paying a private company for a good that's delivered to one's door.  Huzzah!

              Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

              by conlakappa on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:00:13 AM PDT

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              •  As an aside (0+ / 0-)

                What I will never for the life of me be able to understand is why millions of people continue to eat such unhealthily when it's so blindingly obvious that it's literally killing them (not to mention costing them). I'm talking morbidly obese people chowing down triple bacon cheeseburgers with plus size cheese fries. W. T. F.!

                Do they not know, do they not care, or is it literally addictive behavior?

                "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:29:20 AM PDT

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                •  Or is it cultural? (0+ / 0-)

                  Or perhaps an infantile passive-aggressive and self-destructive way of saying FU to people who would tell them how to live their lives, even if well-intended?

                  I just don't get it. A nation of self-destructive children and fools.

                  "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                  by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:31:09 AM PDT

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                  •  A few of us got into a bit of an online (1+ / 0-)
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                    dust-up a few years ago over the issue of overeating and its place on the spectrum of disordered eating.  The story of the rapper Fat Joe came up:  he vowed as a child that when he grew up he'd eat everything he wanted.  I've seen a photo of him as a young man; he was slender.

                    I work with the overweight and obese every day.  It's a commonly held misconception that all of them continue to overeat regularly.  That isn't what I'm seeing or hearing.  We talk about their addictions, which are hard to face when you actually do have to eat versus taking drugs, drinking, or smoking.  You might be surprised at how many people don't (1) know how to eat properly and (2) don't see the connection between their behavior and the outcome.  They don't look at portion sizes but just assume a bottle/bag/pack is a serving.

                    Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

                    by conlakappa on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:45:46 AM PDT

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                    •  I'm sure you're right (0+ / 0-)

                      It's just hard for me to understand how a grown person could be this ignorant.

                      Of course, we're dealing with a population where up to 80% don't believe in evolution and 25% don't know who we fought in the Revolution. As someone who's benefited from a good education, I simply don't understand why so many Americans are this ignorant and really stupid. How does that happen? What went wrong?

                      "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                      by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:57:58 AM PDT

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                      •  They've been seduced by a culture that (1+ / 0-)
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                        encourages them to consume.  It doesn't matter the good, does it?  And, yeah, we don't value education but at the same time serving sizes are getting larger while true portions are static.  I remind them that evolution takes a long time time to occur and that we cannot consume any more than we were able 50 years ago.  Whatever his masters and their messages, I give full props to David Kessler for nutritional labels.  It was an important first step but, clearly, the journey isn't complete.

                        I can understand your skepticism but I hear from women of all ages about lack of awareness of food and nutrition.  They're still the primary decisionmakers for shopping and activities, really in charge of health and fitness in the family.  

                        Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

                        by conlakappa on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 09:10:22 AM PDT

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                        •  Oh, I don't doubt the ignorance (0+ / 0-)

                          I just find myself astounded by its pervasiveness. Am I THAT much smarter and more aware than most Americans? Why? How? We're not talking about quantum mechanics or rocket science here. It's really a very simple concept. You can only burn up or excrete so much of what you eat. The rest mostly gets converted into fat or muscle, and of that the overwhelming portion gets converted into fat, which anyone with eyes can see for themselves. Why is it so hard for people to make the connection between overeating and expanding waistlines? Where do they think all that fat is coming from, the air? Either people are actually this stupid and ignorant, or else they're choosing to be this stupid and ignorant because it's easier and more pleasing--or else something has seriously broken down in most Americans' brains. Or maybe they know that they're making themselves fat, but don't think it's harmful to their health.

                          I suspect that it's a combination of actual ignorance and willful denial. Most people prefer to be fit and healthy, but they prefer to indulge their apetite even more, and are making a tacit decision to sacrifice the former for the latter, and pretending that it's ok, or choosing to just not think about it and hope it that their bodies don't notice.

                          It's yet another form of infantilism that's taken over the country in so many ways.

                          "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                          by kovie on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM PDT

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