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  •  Well I am talking about compromise (3+ / 0-)
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    since you brought it back to Obama's style of leadership of seeking compromise, including everyone's voice and finding common ground. Which may well explain his approach to LGBT issues, but also explains why it's probably where his most dissatisfied contingency is.

    The philosophy is at odds with Civil Rights. Jim Crow was a compromise between full civil rights and slavery. And we rightfully decided that wasn't good enough.

    Trickle down Equality isn't working

    by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:25:08 AM PDT

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    •  I don't see where I used 'compromise' (0+ / 0-)

      anywhere in that first comment: bringing everyone to the table isn't the same as conceding to everyone's demands, and you may remember that we're going forward with this DADT plan despite near-complete Republican opposition.  We brought them to the table, they said no dice, and we're moving ahead without them.

      For what it's worth, Jim Crow was a bad compromise.  The Civil Rights act was not.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:32:35 AM PDT

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      •  Well, you're stuck on a word (1+ / 0-)
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        bring everyone to the table, make sure everyone agrees

        "compromise" is the method we use to get everyone to agree. It's the goal when you bring "everyone to the table."

        We brought them to the table, they said no dice, and we're moving ahead without them.

        True of GOP, not so true of resistance to Murphy's orginal bill. Not all resistance comes from the GOP, alas. But it seems resistance is compromised with.

        Trickle down Equality isn't working

        by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:41:15 AM PDT

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        •  That's ultimately the question (1+ / 0-)
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          when you bring people together over disagreement: do you concede, or do you try to persuade them over to your side?  In this case I don't think anything other than method/responsibility was conceded, and I was glad (at least) to get Congress as much out of the decision-making process as possible - Congress is where concessions do get made.  The main drawback is the long process we're dealing with now.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:44:38 AM PDT

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          •  That is true of the here and now (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't think anything other than method/responsibility was conceded

            We'll just have to wait and hope for the best. Because there is no disincentive for them to roll out DADT-Lite, and no leverage to push back on it.

            It's all faith now.

            Trickle down Equality isn't working

            by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:46:54 AM PDT

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          •  When it comes to equality under the law (2+ / 0-)
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            Clarknt67, FogCityJohn

            You don't screw around with regressive dinosaurs. You tell them that they're in the minority, to sit down, STFU, and you move along with progress.

            Or at least, that's what a real leader would do.

            When are you going to understand that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage. - Practical Magic

            by Keori on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 12:20:03 PM PDT

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          •  If you think (0+ / 0-)

            concessions don't get made during administrative rulemakings, then you are not well informed.  Homophobes inside the Pentagon will be able to influence the process of writing any "repeal" regulations.  And this survey's existence and language is evidence that they've got plenty of clout.

            Maladie d'Amour, Où l'on meurt d'Aimer, Seul et sans Amour, Sid'abandonné

            by FogCityJohn on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 05:24:03 PM PDT

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