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  •  Good point... an abundance of caution I guess (3+ / 0-)
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    but I also think the statement implies they are advising against participating. I also think they did so without benefit of seeing the survey first, because they also say this:

    If a service member still wishes to participate, he or she should only do so in a manner that does not reveal sexual orientation."

    But there is nothing in they survey that would reveal a participant's orientation, unless they volunteered it in one of the open-ended questions, and they all already know they cannot reveal their orientation to the military, so it seems to me that maybe this statement was made without knowing the content of the questions. Or they are just being lawyers. But I still don't agree with the implication that people would be wise to not participate. Just because I think it's very important that as many people as possible who support repeal get their input included.

    •  Unless you are am LGB (3+ / 0-)
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      service member, that's pretty easy for you to say.

      •  And your point is what? (0+ / 0-)
        •  That if your life and career (3+ / 0-)
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          were at stake, you might not be so glib about the matter.

          •  I'm not glib about it, and I have no idea why you (1+ / 0-)
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            would think I am.

            I have both family members and close friends who are gay service members, and getting DADT repealed is VERY important to them and to me.

            Everyone here is expressing opinions about this survey and all I said is that I want people to participate to support making that happen.

            •  You sound glib to me. (1+ / 0-)
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              You repeatedly state that there is no plausible reason for LGB service members to be concerned. I think that the reality does not support your assumptions.

              •  I did NOT say that there was "no plausible reason (0+ / 0-)

                for service members to be concerned" Read my comments. I said people have to make their own decision.

                Why don't you write to Servicemembers United and tell them how glib they are?

                SU Encourages Participation in DADT Survey

                Servicemembers United, the nation’s largest organization of gay and lesbian troops and veterans, issued a statement today regarding the Pentagon’s release of a survey of 400,000 troops on the impending repeal of the "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" law.

                "As part of its mandate from the Secretary of Defense to ‘engage the force’ on the likely repeal of the ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ law, the Pentagon’s Comprehensive Review Working Group yesterday released a survey on the issue to 400,000 non-deployed active duty troops," said Alexander Nicholson, Executive Director of Servicemembers United and a former U.S. Army interrogator who was discharged under "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell." "While Servicemembers United remains concerned about unintentional bias in the question wording within this survey, we are satisfied that sufficient measures are in place to protect the confidentiality of any gay and lesbian servicemember who would like to fully and honestly participate in this survey."

                Nicholson added, "Servicemembers United encourages all gay and lesbian active duty troops who received the survey to take this important opportunity to provide their views. We especially encourage gay and lesbian troops to take advantage the opportunity at the end of the survey to participate in a confidential chat about issues related to being gay or lesbian in the U.S. military."

                •  I thought you had left. n/t (0+ / 0-)
                  •  Too bad for you, I'm back. I read the statement (0+ / 0-)

                    from Servicemembers United -- who happen to agree with me -- and thought some people might care. Obviously you're more interested in acting like a jerk than any real world information. However, once again, from my above comment:

                    But frankly I think that is highly unlikely, and the need to get positive responses on the survey would outweight such a risk if it were me. But of course each person has to weigh their own risks and decide what to do.

                    You were blatently dishonest about what I said and you owe me an apology. Of course I know I wont' get one.

                    •  I simply said that you seem inclinded to be (0+ / 0-)

                      dismissive of the concerns and anxieties and LGB service members. Daily Kos is a site for political debate. That means that people disagree with each other. I did not express my disagreement with you in a personally abusive or derogatory manner. Simply because someone disagrees with you political opinions is no reason to demand and apology.

                      You are correct that you will not get one from me.

          •  I also really don't understand why some people (0+ / 0-)

            here are so freakin rude and hateful. It really pisses me off, so I'm outta here.

    •  BUT! (7+ / 0-)

      there is nothing in they survey that would reveal a participant's orientation

      There is an "anything else?" box.

      Unless the service member wanted to explain in their own words, sharing personal stories of the hardship this policy visits on their life. How the lying and hiding affects their morale and feelings of cohesion with other troops. How expensive it is to relocate their family solely at their own expense. How much they worry about their partner not receiving word if they are hurt or injured.

      All topics they cannot share. But a bigot is free to fill this in with "I don't want no gays at the company picnic near my kids!"

      Trickle down Equality isn't working

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:36:34 AM PDT

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    •  Ergo: DADT STILL acts as a severe impediment (4+ / 0-)

      to accurate information gathering. Despite Sen Claire McCaskill's drawing Adm. Mullen's attention to it back in February, and his assurances he's address it.

      Trickle down Equality isn't working

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 11:43:46 AM PDT

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