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  •  One of the issues needing note in this survey (2+ / 0-)
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    discussion is the present complement of the military. Since the draft was abolished, the 'wide swath of all young males' has been reduced to 'volunteers,' and there has been a huge push by some officers and some religious groups to push or convert troops to come of the more socially conservative sects, whose general opinion on this issue most posters here know. That may have its own effect on the outcome of the survey.

    •  Which is why that they freely admit (3+ / 0-)
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      it is not a scientific survey is troubling. It can easily be freeped to be non-representative. If they are hoping to glean information, they have chosen a terrible methodology to rely on it's accuracy.

      Trickle down Equality isn't working

      by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 04:32:59 PM PDT

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    •  Motivation will also be a factor (2+ / 0-)
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      Someone who doesn't care if gays serve or not - meaning they would be considered pro-repeal - may not take the time or expend the effort to answer this very lengthy survey.  A homo-hating bigot would spend hours on it if required.

      Once a negative survey result is released, watch Obama fold like a dinner napkin.  I could write the script right now.

      you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

      by Dem Beans on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 04:50:35 PM PDT

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      •  There is of course the question (2+ / 0-)
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        of whether the answers given will have anything much to do with the official results.

        •  It is the perfect cover for an administration who (3+ / 0-)
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          has been tone-deaf to its LGBT constituency from day one.  

          Decrying this as "too much, too soon" for the military (when we are a nation at war), it will be shrugged as a good effort, politicians will point to the survey and say they can't contradict the military, and the administration will say, "Well, we tried. But vote for us! It would be worse with a Republican!"

          The question will be how the LGBT community will respond.  We are not all one issue voters, but this has gone well beyond being old.

          •  I certainly hope the LGBT community (0+ / 0-)

            will not let ourselves be snowed, if that is the case. As Andy said above:

            With too little signs of active opposition, now opposition is literally being manufactured out of thin air.

            I certainly hope our community will recognize that. Surely they must, with 80% support for repeal, our community won't give Obama/the Democrats a pass on letting it stand? Sure our community will remember, "Wait? Who's the commander-in-chief? What does a commander to? How did Truman handle this?" and call BS on any stalls. Our leaders will have to get together and agree to stick to message on that. Will they sacrifice their rolodex to go off the DNC message?

            Trickle down Equality isn't working

            by Scott Wooledge on Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 08:01:52 PM PDT

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