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  •  due process costs money (6+ / 0-)

    And it's unavoidable for civil service government jobs.  It has nothing to do with unions; they couldn't bargain away employees' constitutional rights even if they wanted to.

    The dismissal costs a lot (assuming the teacher fights) because everyone lawyers up and the district has to prove its case in administrative proceedings.

    And too often, the administrators are just too incompetent to discipline people correctly.  So they want the right to have their decisions to fire people unchallenged.  Great!  Give incompetent people more power.  That'll work.

    I want to join this political party - where is it?

    by h bridges on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 06:12:01 AM PDT

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    •  Lawyer up? Are you sure? (3+ / 0-)
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      dsb, Dirtandiron, miss SPED

      Most union contracts designate the union as the representative of the employee in all dealings with management. No attorneys allowed. Once you are actually fired, maybe, but not to deal with administration as an employee.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 06:32:33 AM PDT

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      •  Unions have lawyers, too. (3+ / 0-)
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        happy camper, Dirtandiron, Mike08

        If the case is a compelling one, you can bet the Union's lawyers will be involved. Ideally, there should be a lawyer at every dismissal hearing, but that takes more money than Union's typically have available. We have to pick and choose our battles, where Management doesn't - After all, they can write it all off their taxes as a "cost of doing business."

        "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

        by QuestionAuthority on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 07:59:04 AM PDT

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