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  •  Remember the GM bankruptcy? (11+ / 0-)

    Southern Senators were positively giddy at the thought of breaking the UAW. That was not a banana in Mitch McConnell's pocket. They were ready to sacrifice a huge and important industry to get rid of unions.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 06:50:29 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah they did not care one bit about people who (6+ / 0-)

      would be out of work. (many of them nonunion)

    •  What sacrifices (0+ / 0-)

      You say this like those senators were going to take some action or other to destroy GM. GM was going down due to its own incompetence; no help needed.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 09:26:57 AM PDT

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      •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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        GM probably would have been fine without the Bush economic crash, but that's another discussion.

        McConnell and his henchmen opposed loaning the auto companies any money, preferring to see them broken up and sold off as a means of getting rid of the UAW.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 09:38:22 AM PDT

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          McConnell and his henchmen opposed loaning the auto companies any money, preferring to see them broken up and sold off as a means of getting rid of the UAW.

          Right, so GM was asking for something special. Not giving someone special treatment isn't the equivalent of destroying them.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 09:44:15 AM PDT

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          •  If GM and Chrysler had gone (2+ / 0-)
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            down, they'd have taken many suppliers with them, and Ford might have followed as a result. In traditional bankruptcy, union contracts are gone. The UAW would have been destroyed.

            But you know all this, so what is your point?

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 09:50:24 AM PDT

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            •  I have no point (0+ / 0-)

              ...other than to point out that not giving someone special treatment isn't the equivalent of destroying them.

              I think that all poorly run businesses should be plowed under by history (including the banks), but that's just me. I generally oppose government support to any business.

              The deals that the UAW made with GM were contributing to GM's bankruptcy, so there's no real problem with the UAW paying the price as well. That's the price of playing poker. The rest of us have to deal with the risk of our employers going bankrupt every day and don't even have union representation on the board.

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 09:57:28 AM PDT

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              •  The UAW did everything (2+ / 0-)
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                they could to help GM, including contract concessions, starting well before the bottom fell out of the economy. You might have noticed that no GM executive blamed the union or the workers. Overpaid workers bringing down the company is a right wing bullshit meme.

                The ones who would have paid "the price" were the workers and retirees, as well as the state and local governments that would have had to deal with the fallout of economic disaster. Saving the auto companies was the best deal for everyone involved, taxpayers included.

                "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

                by happy camper on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 12:25:19 PM PDT

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