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  •  There always are (1+ / 0-)
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    people like edtastic and a few others who despise teachers and want to blame them and their unions for all of the education problems in this country. I don't get what their real beef is.

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    by anastasia p on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 10:13:06 AM PDT

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    •  It's the big lie (4+ / 0-)

      it's impossible to read any article or see any tv news story about education without stories bashing teachers' unions.  From the New Yorker story about how hard it is to fire "bad" teachers (assuming the conclusion), to puff pieces about how charter schools are so effective by getting around those work rules, etc.  

      The problem is, even if charter schools work for some students, there is no way the entire education system can be replaced by them, and the record of charter schools is mixed.  While no system is perfect, teachers and their unions are out there educating kids, lobbying for more money for schools, and making sure people who want to teach can afford a living wage (as opposed to Teach for America dilettantes who just wind up joining people like me in law school).  

      On this issue, Obama's an improvement over Bush, but not by much.

      But anyway, I think the people pushing the big lie just want to get rid of public education in the country, and much of the support for it comes from people who just repeat what they're told.  

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 10:31:41 AM PDT

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      •  You're right (4+ / 0-)

        But the problem is that, in any market economy, there will be winners and there will be losers.  

        And if my kids happens to wind up in a school that is undergoing turmoil because of being one of the losers, the harm to my kids may damn well be irreparable.  And the harm can ruin my kids' lives.

        Not only that, the whole market mentality, that parents should shop around for schools for their kids, seems to suppose that kids don't suffer any harm by being moved from school to school, rather than staying within one system.  IMO, kids need stability.

        Again, the whole push toward charters is merely a manifestation of the idea that private companies should make profits doing something that government historically does.  Once you let the camel (private companies) get the nose in the tent (siphon money away from public schools), it's hard to stop it, especially when it's couched in the type of "market capitalism/competition" BS that we Americans suck up so willingly.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 10:43:47 AM PDT

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        •  I've always found it ironic (3+ / 0-)
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          that people object so strenuously to raising property tax rates, especially in wealthy suburbs that have decent schools.  What they overlook is that their property values are only what they are because people with disposable income and children bid up the prices of homes in that school district, and with it, property tax assessments (not the rate, but the dotted line number).  So, trying to complain about property tax rates while maintaining a system that finances schools through property tax disparities is just self-defeating.  

          "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

          by Loge on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 10:49:11 AM PDT

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          •  My dear grandmother (2+ / 0-)
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            ..., even after all her grandkids were grown, used to vote for every last millage increase.

            She always said that her neighborhood would only be as good as its schools.

            "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

            by gsbadj on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 03:59:28 PM PDT

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