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  •  I'm wondering how custodians help with IEPs (1+ / 0-)
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    Sparhawk

    since they are confidential documents.  I don't think I ever put education by a custodian into a student's IEP.

    I am not offering a criticism, just trying to understand.

    Perhaps because our custodians are privatized, they don't have the same relationship as a district employed maintenance worker would?

    •  Custodians help students. They are people. They (1+ / 0-)
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      don't write them, but a reward may be helping the janitor sweep the floor. One downs syndrome boy walks with the custodian daily as the custodian sweeps for his pe because he will walk faster.

      Private firms do the job. Custodains are part of the staff that works together. It takes an entire village/school to raise a student. This type of approach also shows kids that everyone has value.

      •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

        Again, I simply do not buy this.

        Custodial staff perform a commodity task. Their purpose is to clean classrooms, not to participate in education, any more than the cleaning staff at an electrical engineering firm knows how to design circuit boards, or at a hospital know how to heal patients. They just don't. They don't have the expertise, the subject matter knowledge, or the training.

        The fact that on occasion you might find one contributing in such a manner as you have described does not mean that their contributions in this manner are worth the extra money that could go to hiring more actual teachers.

        I come from a family of educators, do volunteer educational work in my spare time, and I know what I'm talking about in this regard. Privatizing commodity services in school districts will have about zero impact on education.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 02:07:20 PM PDT

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        •  Again, no response to the argument. Privatizing (0+ / 0-)

          doesn't save money. Forgot that one?

          •  Sure it does (0+ / 0-)

            Cleaning staff being paid $11/hour are more expensive than unionized town cleaning staff making, what, $20-$25/hour?

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 07:48:03 PM PDT

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            •  By the time the contractor is paid, no savings (0+ / 0-)

              results. Look it up.

              •  Fine (0+ / 0-)

                I will agree that if no savings can be realized, we should not privatize. (Which would be odd, because if your contention was true then most employers would hire their own cleaning staff instead of using outside contractors... why do many/most employers do precisely that?). However, in principle, I completely agree.

                Now, will you concede that if I were able to point to numerous examples of privatization of cleaning services saving a lot of money, and a good economic case could be made for privatizing these services in a particular town, the town should do it or consider doing it?

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 08:37:26 PM PDT

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