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  •  onparts of learning can be measured objectively (2+ / 0-)
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    but that does not mean you are measuring teaching, since there is no control for how much of that learning occurs outside the classroom

    oh, and that is not the attitude of someone who is anti-testing.  That is the consensus opinion of psychometricians, who raise real questions about how tests are being misused.

    There is no solid data that merit pay contributes to better learning.  NONE.  And it is a subject that has been well studied, through multiple studies.

    "what the best and wisest parent wants for his child is what we should want for all the children of the community" - John Dewey

    by teacherken on Sat Jul 10, 2010 at 07:26:32 PM PDT

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    •  There are good proxies for... (0+ / 0-)

      " much of that learning occurs outside the classroom."

      We know that socio-economic status, language proficiency, single-parenting, and many other factors affect learning. These factors have a greater effect than anything teachers do.

      These factors have been studied endlessly. In fact, whenever salary-testing links are proposed, Teachers trot these studies out showing (correctly) that it's not their fault that the kids can't read.

      Since we know these factors, we can use them to adjust the standard for each teacher. If you are in a nice suburb, your bar will be high. If you are in the 'hood, you will get a bonus if you make even small gains.

      Think about what you are saying: If we cannot measure teaching, than how do we know which teachers to pay?  Why not replace teachers with video games, or 10-hour Gym Classes? We cannot keep asking taxpayers for money unless we show them results.

      Saying, "The results are there, but they are unmeasurable, unknowable, and unattributable to anything I did. But please pay me anyway", is not a way to retain electoral support for publicly-funded education.

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