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  •  Sadly, I must disagree (1+ / 0-)
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    We need desperately to send a message to the Democrats that their pathetic, neoliberal bullshit is political poison. If they don't lose big in this election, they will credit their 'centrist' politics for the victory.

    And yes, if they lose, the corporate media machine will wind up to blame the left, praise the corporate bagmen for their 'centrism' and blame Obama for being 'too left'. We just need to pull the plug on the cable service and ignore those paid-off ideologues.

    The more we disconnect from corporate media - utterly and completely - so we don't even hear them when they lie, the less effective that media machine will become and the more our anger will hurt their bottom line.

    Obama rose to victory by riding the anti-war movement and got past Clinton because everyone in the party who did not want to see a repeat of Bill Clinton's creepy policies, rallied behind him as the field of candidates narrowed. Sadly, he turned into a right-wing version of Bill Clinton, minus the phony sympathy for the people he's screwed.

    If you think that doesn't matter, please note that Hillary Clinton ran away from the odious 'Democratic Leadership Council' in 2008 because she regarded their support as political suicide. Yeah, Obama pulled a bait and switch on us - others will do it in the future - but we are slowly making their corporatism political poison, so the corporatists must grow more clever in hiding their true allegiances.

    If you give ten bucks to a junkie, he's gonna buy drugs with it. If you support a corporatist Democratic party, they will only sell you out to their corporate campaign contributors.

    Since all the Democrats I'll get to vote for in this election are corporatists, flying that neoliberal, third-way flag and peddling corporate pork and war, I have no reason to vote in this election.

    Maybe if there was an actual New Deal Democrat running in my district, I might feel differently. But all I have to vote for is two kinds of Republican shit.

    •  So Dems lose the House (3+ / 0-)
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      Odysseus, Egalitare, ddn

      and 5-6 Seats in the Senate and what progressive legislation do you think will get passed?  

      Instead of working for 62-63 seats in the senate where you could lose Nelson, Lieberscum and Landrieu, you're going to have to coddle them AND reach out to get Grassley, Snowe, Collins, Brown, Graham ON EVERY VOTE.

      Want to punish Lieberscum, you make him irrelevant. If the Dems lose 4-5 seats a centrist coalition will from - A gang of x number of corporatist Dems and Republicans that will run the Senate. And Lieberscum will be re-elected in 2012 as part of this gang. He won't have one tough vote to make and will look all independent and bi-partisan-y.  Same for all corporate Democrats, their worst nightmare was the 60 seats because they had to earn their corporate money and obstruct rather than hiding behind Republican obstruction.  Lieberscum, Lincoln, Landrieu, Nelson would have all hid behind the necessary GOP vote on HCR if we needed one vote.  

      Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

      by Jonze on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 11:25:52 AM PDT

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      •  If the Dems lose the house, wall to wall ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... investigation hearings by each and every House Committee on each and every policy decision made by this Administration.

        "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

        by Egalitare on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 01:05:00 PM PDT

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      •  A right wing Democrat is worse than a Republican (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and blew it away by pandering to Republicans. They lose one vote - thanks to their pathological pandering to right-wing values (MA senatorial election) - and their supermajority is incapable of passing anything.

        Maybe they need to learn from their enemies how to fight. Lord knows at least Republicans know how to win, even when they only have 40 votes to work with. Democrats couldn't win a ball game if the other team forfeited.  

        Maybe we need to get rid of the Republicans in our midst, so we can fight a clean battle without traitors fucking up the game.

        One thing is abundantly clear, this crowd of so-called 'Democrats' aren't worth shit, even if we had 99 democrats in the senate. They'd still give the house away to every corporation that paid them a nickel or promised them a cushy job on K Street when their constituencies finally got rid of them.

        Whatever, without a WPA jobs program (not this corporate welfare crap) and those bankrupting, unwinnable wars raging, Democratic Party can stick it where the sun don't shine. I will not vote for them, because we are not on the same side. And they are not my allies. They are my class enemies and a vital threat to my livelihood and my family's survival.

        So fuck 'em. And fuck anyone who is willing to tolerate their corruption, cowardice and pathetic right-wing bullshit. They fucked up my hope for a job at a living wage, so fuck them too.

        We need to draw a line in the sand on these cretins. If you don't have a bottom line you will lose it all. I have my bottom line and Obama's bullshit neoliberalism is so far below below my minimum demand, his lame-ass party hasn't got a prayer of getting my vote unless he discovers his 'inner Roosevelt' and picks a fucking side to stand on.

        Hey, I've gone bankrupt thanks to neoliberalism. let the rest of those fuckers meet the same fate.

        Are you getting the memo? Or do we have to beat your ass again?

        •  I take conservatism to mean political dominance, (0+ / 0-)

          self destruction, nihilism, hypocrisy and cynicism on the short list.
               Take the exact opposite state of mind, because that is what it is, a state of mind, and ask yourself whether that state of mind is part of you party or your so called ''progressive'' movement. 
                  Politics is an integral part of the sports entertainment business. All entertainment and business with a sprinkling of sports. 
The political parties hate each other in the same way that dogs trained to fight hate each other. Pundits, pollsters, strategists and party operatives get all the benefits from that fight.
                Don't believe me, pick up a history book.
                Citizen partisans are gamblers, they will never be respected just as everyone addicted to oil will never get ant respect because they have no self respect. 
                  If you want to change things you have to find a way to do it yourself. Relying on or looking to a government whose elected officials can no longer compromise but accommodate en bloc unelected power and money interests is a hopeless. 

          The Demarco Factor by  Michael Pertschuk

          Liberty Valence Saying, ''consumer protection'' is like saying, ''slavery protection.''

          by libertyvalence on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 06:19:27 PM PDT

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          •  Politics is war pursued by other means. (0+ / 0-)

            Republicans understand this, which is why Democrats look stupid when they show up with flowers to a gunfight.  

            •  I do not know how to take that. (0+ / 0-)

              Any endeavor that anyone engages in with sincere vigor is going to leave that person looking stupid to someone or even some group.

              I believe with all of my heart that I am in a struggle for human rights and social justice. That is much different than a war. Democrats should not even show up to a gunfight. They cannot win a gunfight even if they sowed up with guns.

              What makes them look stupid is engaging in a gunfight to begin with. What makes them look stupid and pusillanimous is fighting for political dominance instead of struggling for human rights and social justice. The system of politics in a democracy is to match voters to candidates. Otherwise politics is simply an expression of political conservatism. At the point where it becomes war for political domination, politics no longer serves that useful but narrow function.

              When that happens and I believe it has, we have tipped into complete fascism. Imagine if MLK showed up to Edmund Pettis bridge in Birmingham with AK-47's.

              What are you saying? Politics is not life.

              Liberty Valence Saying, ''consumer protection'' is like saying, ''slavery protection.''

              by libertyvalence on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:10:02 AM PDT

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              •  'The oldest, coldest war' (0+ / 0-)

                From my perspective at the economic bottom of this country, the war of the rich against the poor continues without end.

                So rich people are waging war against me, my family and the communities I've lived in on a constant basis. Often with the witting and unwitting participation of liberal, 'mediating' classes (gatekeepers). You only need to walk through any ghetto or trailer park in this country to see a landscape devastated by this unending war on the poor.

                Civil and human rights diversify the political terrain, giving disempowered people a terrain to fight battles from a stronger position than our winner-take-all economic system or its bureaucratic apparatuses might allow.

                But civil, human and social rights have been under systematic assault - along with the social welfare state - since 1975 and the rise of the neoliberal/neoconservative state.  

                Collapsing these rights and dismantling mediating and counter-balancing institutions and laws, is central to saving monopoly capitalism and instrumental in creating a globalizing corporate, New World Order.

                By stripping ordinary people of any redress to the inequities of a totalizing socio-economic and political system, authoritarianism can advance without challenge. So you can't separate human rights from economic rights. Attacks on human rights are necessary to strip people of economic rights more effectively. Which is the bloody point of all this violence............

                The goal of the new world order is to make states subservient to corporations and people subservient to states. This is the path to serfdom.

                This war is waged on all fronts - from the interpersonal to the international - and on all planes of human struggle. Pretending its not a war is the first and most dangerous notion of all, because you are a rabbit caught in the headlights when you discover otherwise.  

                It is folly to pretend that we can find 'common ground' without viable and balancing power to confront them. War is fought on many more planes than simply the plane of physical violence.

                Every general understand this. I was simply inverting military strategist, General Clauswitz's, observation that "war is politics pursued by other means."  

                Democratic activists need to get up close and personal with some classic war manuals, until they can understand the metaphoric ideas articulated within and can imagine those tactics applied on planes beyond literal violence and war.

                You need to do this because these classic texts are on the required reading list of your political opponents. They are making you look like fools because you are unprepared for political battle.

                To use the common metaphor that describes Democratic political incompetence. If you show up to a gunfight without backup or a plan, what's to stop them from shooting you? Violence - in all its forms - is the ratio ultimo of political struggle. What's your plan to counter their ruthlessness?

                On the other hand, if you choose to walk unarmed into a metaphorical gunfight AND the trees are filled with your snipers - to provide a viable counter-threat to the guns you will face with flowers - then you are applying a sophisticated understanding of political warfare to your situation.

                And if you choose the 'take a bullet' strategy - as Aquino did literally to restore Filipino democracy - their violence will be their undoing. Assuming your backup plan is in place.  

                Now you are applying the tactics of war, well within the great tradition of non-violent civil rights struggle, to defeat political violence.

                Do you think Gandhi didn't read war strategy manuals? I could match his stratagems to Sun Tzu's advice all day. He warned the British that if they didn't work with him, armed resistance groups would finish them off. So even Gandhi used the threat of violence to achieve his ends, even as he is also our finest example of non-violent struggle.

                The first goal of war, as Sun Tzu saw it, was to 'take the city without firing a shot.' So you can read that entire manual and translate his stratagems into pacifist political strategy.

                Power not only doesn't accede nothing without a demand, it doesn't give up shit unless its power is viably threatened.

                •  If you have all of this inside you and have (0+ / 0-)

                  be somewhere else creating community. That is the only and definitive antidote to conservative rhetoric, to feckless Liberal rhetoric as well.
                     Do you have another option?  To be human is to be conscious. To be conscious is to think. To think is to act. To act is to decide.
                       I do not disagree with the content of what you say, I disagree with the interpretation that you have revealed to me.
                    What is it you want? Do you hunger to win a war? Are you so upset by facts that you cannot formulate a strategy that overcomes the facts? Is it just easier to be angry? If so, is that your deepest feeling after all that you tell me? Are you defeated and giving your enemies the reasons they have won and the reasons you have to be angry and impotent? Are you afraid that you might look like a fool? To whom? To the people that you hate or to yourself?
                     Is there some reason that you think that your spirit and will are not involved? How are they not involved, if you are so angry?
                        Non violent struggle is a whole different animal than war. While it is important to know about war, it is important to invent your own struggle. You have to risk your life either way.
                      I mean you no disrespect, go in peace Tom. You are very close to a unifying answer, your turmoil is real and rightfully so. It is also a necessary step to a new consciousness, you cannot avoid it.
                     I do not now what it is like to be in your skin, I can only tell you that I've been there. Do not stop there, it looks like a lousy place to stop.

                  Liberty Valence Saying, ''consumer protection'' is like saying, ''slavery protection.''

                  by libertyvalence on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 05:13:10 PM PDT

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                  •  Please don't pathologize me (0+ / 0-)

                    I doubt we'd find much common ground at a strategy table, because I only get involved when I know the people around me understand the score and the stakes.

                    Otherwise, I have better things to do.

                    Your failure to understand metaphor, allegory, the terms of oppositional politics - never mind the stakes - is evident in your literal interpretation of my words.

                    Your discursive attempt to shift the discussion to 'my feelings' is a disingenuous, marginalizing tactic I'm all too familiar with.

                    So you don't make this mistake again, a little advice: when the issues at stake involve people's lives and livelihoods, don't reduce it to a discussion about 'their feelings'.

                    Because from our side of that conversation, its not only insulting and dismissive, its kinda creepy.

                    •  I do not doubt that you believe everything that (0+ / 0-)

                      you say. I won't do any of those nasty things any more. I'm sure that you have better things to do with people that understand metaphor and think like you.

                      Are you ticklish also? Don't worry.

                      Liberty Valence Saying, ''consumer protection'' is like saying, ''slavery protection.''

                      by libertyvalence on Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 09:50:22 PM PDT

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      •  Sounds like you are fighting a war, jonze, (0+ / 0-)

        or a football game or a wrestling match?
        Now that the parties think they deserve your money to support all of their chicken littles, how does that figure into your war strategy?

        Liberty Valence Saying, ''consumer protection'' is like saying, ''slavery protection.''

        by libertyvalence on Sun Jul 11, 2010 at 06:27:49 PM PDT

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