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  •  They had a bunch of trucks outside... (none)
    so, I think they did use soemthing to blur the background sound in during Koppeols closing statement...

    But can you believe it? Ted Koppel actually told me that he didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about! hee hee hee.

    He heard what I was syaing this... it was super loud.

    Also, I want to note that they did edit out the guy whomade a reference to Richard Perle and the Plan for a New American Century. In fact, they had to completely edit out somebody else's comment in order to do that.

    My own dedication to Bush/Cheney Inc. Listen to WMD: Words of Mis-Direction

    by NewWay4NewDay on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:19:26 PM PST

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    •  It sounded super easy to understand (none)
      from where we were sitting ...

      On the other side of a 15" teevee!

      Not just the "GULF WAR SYNDROME" but the "DEPLETED URANIUM" too.

      And Kopout didn't look like he couldn't understand you, he looked like he wanted you to DIE, RIGHT THERE, IMMEDIATELY!


      "We need to get back to basics and start listening to people from outside Washington." - Howard Dean

      by deafmetal on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:24:12 PM PST

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    •  Ask somebody about PNAC. (none)
      America doesn't know about PNAC.

      Am I just f#@king strange or should this not be talked about on every news station in the country?

      Lets really ask these neocons, WTF are you playing at? Their children should be on the next aircraft carrier out of Norfolk.

      •  It should be getting talked about... (none)
        Just like the Depleted Uranium that U.S. uses in "armor peircing" munitions...
        We are dumping radioactive waste all over the place, and hardly anybody knows it.

        No wonder they keep worrying about "dirty bombs"... all a terrorist would have to do is go around collecting spent artillery shells in Iraq, and they could have the necessary junk to make one.
        And the media does not say one damn word about DU or Gulf War Syndrome anymore.

        we've go to keep reporting that stuff in blogs, newsgroups etc.
        But we've also got to talk about it with our neighbor's and families.
        It kind of sucks though... because how do you get people to understand that there REALY are conspiracies taking place without being labeld a "conspiracy theoryist" wacko?

        My own dedication to Bush/Cheney Inc. Listen to WMD: Words of Mis-Direction

        by NewWay4NewDay on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:59:19 PM PST

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        •  DU radioactivity (none)
          DU is bad stuff, but let's get the science right.  The D stands for depleted, which means the most radioactive isotope has been removed, and the stuff that remains is about as radioactive as dirt (the half life is 4.5 million years, which means it gives off radioactivity extremely slowly.)
          DU is bad because it is a heavy metal (and is thus dense and good for breaking things, similar to why lead is used for bullets)- having bits of it around, especially pulverized weaponry, is similar to breathing lead dust- messes up your brain and blood, which is probably the cause of GWS.  It is absolutely impossible to make a radiological "dirty" bomb or do anything with it other that you couldn't do with lead, cadmium, mercury, or other toxic metals.  (Setting off a truck bomb filled with mercury thermometers would probably freak people out.)
          •  sadly, no (none)

            while it's true it's not highly radioactive, it is still radioactive. from Dan Fahey's article linked at the site above:

            After the enrichment process, DU emits approximately 40% less alpha radiation (high energy particles that travel only a few centimeters in air) than natural uranium. DU emits about 15% less gamma radiation than natural uranium. The beta radiation of DU is nearly identical to that of natural uranium, and the chemical toxicity is exactly the same as natural uranium as it is independent of the isotopic composition of uranium.
            •  DU is woefully (4.00)
              misunderstood by 99% of the population.

              The above post is correct.  The big problem with DU isn't its inherent radioactivity (although long term exposure IS a problem):
              If you handed me a sphere of DU I would hold it, just for the novelty of it.  Its basically harmless to walk around with a slug of DU for a few hours.  

              The real problem lies in the fact that DU's military application is that of an armor penetrator.

              DU is actually perferable to tungsten penetrators for 2 reasons.  1) its denser, which is helpful, but 2) more importantly, it liquifies (and the outer surface ignites) at high temperatures and pressures (3. its also much cheaper then tungsten).   Because of its state change properties upon impact with the armor, it forms a much sharper penetrator than tungsten.

              The problem of course, is that because ofr the liquification and then ignitiion of the DU, it forms an aerosol of Oxidized uranium.  While its certainly NOT true to say that DU is 'about as radioactive as dirt' (its about 70,000 times above that level), most of the radioactivity comes from the emission of alpha particles, which, external of hte human body, is harmless.  Breathing or eating alpha-emitters, however, is not a good thing, and thus, breathing in DU dust in high concentrations is significantly more dangerous than holding a block of DU in your hand.  Additionally, as the poster above said, Uranium is a heavy metal poison, and breathing it in, irregardless of its radioactivity, can lead to significant health problems.

              Anyone interested in a comprehensive explination of DU and a study of DU use in the Gulf War (I) should check this link out:


              Its written by Nuclear Physicist and I recommend it highly.


          •  It's the dust SP (4.00)
            When DU hits a tank it breaks apart into dust that gets swept up into lungs of soldiers and Iraqis.

            We don't go out and hire journalists and propagandize and lie and put people on payroll so that they'll say what you want. - Donald Rumsfeld

            by The past is over on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 06:51:25 AM PST

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          •  Bullshit!!! (none)
            ou are right about Depleted Uranium causing Heavy Metal poisoning! But Heavy poising doesn't cause cancer and birth defects that have been experienced in a disproportionate manner by U.S. military veterans and Iraqi civilians.

            DU is "about as radioactive as dirt" as long as it is in it's solid state, but when it gets vaporized and released into the atmosphere, it is radioactive as hell.

            Need proof?

            Here is a link to the official Department of Energy website Depleted Uranium HexaFluoride Information Management Network:

            It sums up like this:
            "While depleted uranium itself is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body, if depleted uranium hexafluoride (depleted UF6) is released to the atmosphere, the uranium compounds and hydrogen fluoride (HF) gas that are formed by reaction with moisture in the air can be chemically toxic."

            See? Our own government admits this in it's documentation of how to handle DU domesticly. But what does the DoD and State Department sites say?
            Something like "Depleted Uranium is not harful in anyway shape and form, and has no relationship to Gulf War ilness"...

            So, what is the truth?

            Believe what you want, but we are geeting scammed.

            We have dumped TONS of the shit all over Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Afghanastan!

            My own dedication to Bush/Cheney Inc. Listen to WMD: Words of Mis-Direction

            by NewWay4NewDay on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 09:00:08 AM PST

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