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  •  the Pope?? (none)
    you mean they haven't heard of him???

    i think it's because Democrats don't want to seriously engage with issues of faith and politics--they'd rather just ignore it, either because they don't want to offend the seculars, or because they lack principles. either way, it's a politically losing strategy. i always have admired Hillary's engagement with her Methodist faith. She clearly has been influenced by it (even if she did vote wrong on the war).

    •  uh, hello, the faith based (none)
      anti war group are democrats.


      •  elected Dems, not grassroots Dems (none)
        was what i meant. they never used churches to bolster their argument, since so many of them were pro-war.
      •  In my own humble opinion (4.00)
        Many Democrat politicians, and especially the DNC do not REALLY, or barely, represent  the common working folks who call themselves "Democrats"

        I think it is time to either take the Dem party back from the corporate hacks, or to pull out and create something different that REALLY represents, not simply panders to, regular people.

        My own dedication to Bush/Cheney Inc. Listen to WMD: Words of Mis-Direction

        by NewWay4NewDay on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:15:04 AM PST

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        •  Doesn't that already exist (none)
          as the Green Party?  Breaking away and starting a new party will only dilute the liberal/progressive voice in our political system.  As much as I feel betrayed and dissapointed with our party we must stick to it and reform it from within.

          It has to start some place, it has to start some time. What better place than here, what better time than now? -Rage Against the Machine

          by Aventinus on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:44:07 AM PST

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    •  Personally (none)
      I'd prefer my politicians didn't engage or equate faith and politics at all.

      As a devout agnostic I'd prefer all people just kept their religions to themselves.

      Would you automatically dismiss a politician if he/she came out and stated he/she was agnostic and couldn't commit to any organized religion? If not, why would it matter what their faith?

      Creationism? Since when do we teach fables with science? - Anon.

      by Pescadero Bill on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 08:49:32 AM PST

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      •  gosh (none)
        where would we be if Martin Luther King kept his religion to himself?

        religion can be a force for good as much as evil. the great movements against slavery and civil rights, for workers rights, were very much rooted in faith. so i'm not threatened by the role of religion in politics. i think at times it is a good and NECESSARY thing to take a stand BECUASE of my faith (i.e. all the major churches opposing the war).
        when faith is perverted, as it has been under the BUshies, it needs to be called out.

        •  Gee (none)
          We'd be just where we are right now.
          Nobody needs a supernatural deity to know right from wrong and nobody needs Baby Jeezus to tell them that racism is unjust.  (I'm excepting the religious fundamentalist, of course, who doesn't know what to believe unless their holy book tells them).  

          And you've conveniently forgotten that slavery was supported by Bible-banging Southerners, who found the Bible very useful ("the race of Ham", "Slaves, obey your masters") for justifying the treatment of other people as property. Read a little history next time.  The greatest advances in society have come about, not because of your religion, but usually in spite of it.  

          •  wow (none)
            and we wonder why Democrats have such a bad reputation as being anti-religion and we keep losing in red states!

            for people of color, our faith is the only thing that has sustained us in 200 years of being in this damn country. we don't have the luxury of separating our faith from our politics, unlike the white folks. there's a reason why African Americans are among the most religious folks around.

          •  I understand what you are saying, (none)
            But let's not divded ourselves with semantics.

            If ou don't need religion to tell you to "turn the other cheek" and "do unto others as you would jave them to do unto you" etc., then that is fine.

            If somebody is anti-war or truly compassionate or whatever based on faith, then that is fine for them.

            The point is that "they", the corporate puppet masters who have hijacked our government "of the people", want to deny dissenting opinion whether it is religious or not.

            So, they don't need your help alienating those of us who DO share your core beliefs of "right from wrong".

            Don't dismiss people just because they need what you would consider a cruth or a security blanket if we are all on the same side.

            We cannot let them divide us any longer.

            My own dedication to Bush/Cheney Inc. Listen to WMD: Words of Mis-Direction

            by NewWay4NewDay on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 08:31:13 PM PST

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    •  What's your favorite god? (none)
      A politician's favorite god is about as important to me as their favorite food or favorite color.   I don't give a rat's arse who they pray to, or what they eat, or whether they favor earth-tones or pastels.  
      The only thing that matters is their policies.  Looking at what they actually DO is a helluva lot more principled than asking what god/food/color/sex position do you prefer?  
    •  No in this instance (none)
      I'd have to agree with Dancing Larry: the Dems are more afraid of peace than they are of faith.  They'll go religious long before they go anti-militarist.

      Excellent observation, btw, that the Dems probably don't even know that religious groups form the backbone of the peace and justice movement, its been so many years since they paid attention to that movement.  

      In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

      by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 04:38:58 PM PST

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